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Controversial writer Traci O’Dea lands job at HLSCC

The former writer of a Newbie article which local residents found racist, insulting & offensive will teach English
September 6th, 2012 | Tags: Traci O'Dea HLSCC NEWBIE English teacher Karl Dawson
The controversial writer Traci O'Dea who wrote an article for the Newbie magazine on translating for visitors the so called "broken english" of locals has now landed a job at our local H. Lavity Souttt Community College. Her article was seen as offensive, racist and insulting to many locals. She is a migrant worker now in the Virgin Islands for about three years. Photo: facebook.com
the controversial Traci O'Dea will join the H. Lavity Stoutt Community College English Department come fall 2012 to teach English. She came to light after her article in the Newbie magazine which she acted as an interpreter for locals' bad English. Some are seeing this as a further insult to Virgin Islands and students. Photo: VINO
the controversial Traci O'Dea will join the H. Lavity Stoutt Community College English Department come fall 2012 to teach English. She came to light after her article in the Newbie magazine which she acted as an interpreter for locals' bad English. Some are seeing this as a further insult to Virgin Islands and students. Photo: VINO
The Newbie magazine is still in circulation and this was the article that Ms. O'Dea wrote that outraged many locals who found the article racist, insulting, insensitive, and offensive. Photo: VINO
The Newbie magazine is still in circulation and this was the article that Ms. O'Dea wrote that outraged many locals who found the article racist, insulting, insensitive, and offensive. Photo: VINO
ROAD TOWN, Tortola, VI - It was about a year ago when the writer Traci O’Dea who had only been in the Virgin Islands (VI) for less than two years was the author of an article in a new magazine ‘NEWBIE,’ which claimed to be a guide for new residents and visitors to the VI, caused controversy in local circles.

The magazine article,  which is published by the public relations firm ‘a Lookingglass’ was described by many local Virgin Islanders to be insulting, demeaning, offensive and cynical, to local residents especially, the indigenous Virgin Islanders.

The magazine article, according to its critics, portrays locals as not being able to speak ‘proper English’ and as having a ‘broken dialect’ and visitors as needing the translations of what locals may  mean when they speak.

The magazine article provides these translations. For example, the magazine highlights on page 3 the phrase,  “Wah gwin ahn?”  and claims that this is Tolian for “whats going on?.” In other words, new comers to the Virgin Islands will not always understand the residents and may at times need an interpreter.

Another phrase among many others that the critics claim is demeaning and to be a misrepresentation of locals is found on page 7 “Yuh aint’t bahn hare, mehson”.  The ‘NEWBIE’ claims that this means, “You’re not from here”.

At the time of our original article a year ago Sean A. Jobsz, a local landscaping businessman, had told this news site that; he “found portions of the publication to be an insult to the intelligence of locals and that the way in which locals were represented was wrong and undermined our education system.”

Ms. Jeanette Lewis, a Virgin Islander and former lecturer at the H Lavity Stoutt Community College (HLSCC), and a former Government’s International Finance Centre employee had also told this news site that she too found the ‘broken English’ in the magazine-NEWBIE to be “offensive to the residents and it showed a lack of respect for the indigenous Virgin Islanders who do not speak in that manner….my mother is from here and she does not speak like that.”

Lewis told Virgin Islands News Online that the magazine content was brought to her attention by her students at the college, who also found it to be very offensive.

Now word comes that the same Traci O’Dea, a migrant Caucasian worker who was on a work permit and the former editor of the controversial magazine, has landed a job at the HLSCC to teach English. 

O’Dea, who is from Baltimore, Maryland, USA, and has been in the Virgin Islands for just three and a half years, could not be reached for comments as of press time. 

However, two officials from the College confirmed to this news site that Ms. O’Dea is assigned to the English department from fall 2012.   HLSCC President Dr. Karl Dawson said he had no comments on the matter, but a college source told this news site that “this matter speaks to background checks on employees, as here you have a lady who has offended most local residents and now she is teaching my son at our college…...that in itself is another insult!” the officer told Virgin Islands News Online on condition of anonymity.

 

Please click on link below to view original article:

 

http://www.virginislandsnewsonline.com/en/news/breaking-news-new-magazine-insulting-offensive-demeaning-to-local-residents-

123 Responses to “Controversial writer Traci O’Dea lands job at HLSCC”

  • Concerned (06/09/2012, 07:49) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    I personally had a problem with that article, the whole book as a matter of fact and threw them all away from my workplace. As for this O'dea, she shouldve been deported for misleading visitors about our country and culture. I'm sure no one here speaks to her that way. If we're in a conversation with our own Caribbean people we speak in our dialect because we understand each other. But when we speak to tourist or visitors we speak proper English. If out dialect offends them then leave. Why should we have to bite off our tongues to "yank" like them.
    • billyb (06/09/2012, 09:56) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      "But when we speak to tourist or visitors we speak proper English." REALLY!!!!!
      "Why should we have to bite off our tongues to "yank" like them.", REALLY!!!!!, I think the bites from our dialect is why our lips so big if you ask me.
      • Joop (07/09/2012, 08:59) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        So what is your point really? If you have nothing constructive to add why do you even comment?
        • billyb (07/09/2012, 10:27) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
          I forgive you for being slow. It's heriditary, it's not your fault
          • mother of student (08/09/2012, 17:01) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
            but my son told me he is in one of her class and she started to teach already this is crap deman real sad day for the bvi when such a person could now seek to educate our kids.
    • Sam (06/09/2012, 12:17) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Dear 'Concerned', I am from the Virgin Islands (UK), born and raised as one would say. I personally don't see the book as offensive because the reality is, the content of the book is true (as it pertains to what the slangs and their interpretation mean).

      Let's be honest with ourselves. Some of us revert to our 'native slang' when in the company with others and speak 'proper English' when we are not. Unfortunately, most do not because they cannot. Take a page from the young people today. They are unable to speak and write a proper sentence because they do not know how.

      It's unfortunate but that is society today.
      • dead man (06/09/2012, 23:47) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        please speak fro yourself "SAM" many of us see it as extremely offensive and bording on racism so you better go sitting down...
    • Mitt Romney (06/09/2012, 12:43) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      but all of us had a serious promble with the article and now we tax payers must pay for this!!! shamefull
      • Observer (06/09/2012, 16:29) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        ALL of us??!! You are speaking for yourself my dear!
        • black boy (06/09/2012, 23:50) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
          mitt is also speaking for me THEY all AH bunch ONE IN THE SAME "observer" and those from the beacon are a bunch of haters of locals and you should hear how they speak about us when hey are drunk!!
    • Paranoid Much (06/09/2012, 17:44) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      I personally dont see what all the fuss is about. What are you bloggers really trying to say, that ppl here DONT speak like that? When my niece first started primary school, she came home one day and asked me for 'oice'...now what the heck is oice? the child was asking for ICE! I am from the BVI born and raised but my word some times i really have to wonder what is wrong with the ppl who 'from here'. Are you all so insecure that you take offense to everything? If you dont want these ppl here well write a letter and sign a petition and get the pastors to go on the radio and make enough noise and surely the governor will deport them all just for your peace of minds! You all know very well that ppl say just those very things. The lady didnt say anyone was illiterate or dumb all she said was if tourist hear these things this is what they mean...and guess what? I have heard the older generation speaking? and i SURELY would not send them ANYWHERE to represent me in a speech competition! so take that all you hypocrites who 'bahn here'
      • Me can't talk good either (06/09/2012, 19:48) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        we all knw how we speak, me tired making fun of it and every other caribbean island too. I remember when i first started hanging out with some jamican's one of them made fun at the way i side purple" PuPle. I smile and said to him, you should be the last person making fun of the way I speak.

        But i think people are upset at the who and not the what. Its a white person, which brings up all sort of issues .
        • one of a kind (07/09/2012, 08:48) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
          traci and her crew from that other paper BVI B are all the same a bunch of you know what!!!
      • native baby (07/09/2012, 15:45) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        If people are on record as saying the book is offensive and insulting then their views must be respected boss
    • Oh how I Wish (06/09/2012, 19:29) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      I American.....Translate, I am a white american ruler of all you see. Every one is need an add on because they are not really american "African American, Native American Mexican American.............
    • mxo (11/01/2013, 20:40) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Sorry guys, when I came to the BVI for the first time, it took me 2 weeks to figure out locals speak English. I mean it. If this insults anyone, so be it...
  • man down (06/09/2012, 08:13) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Well mey boy only in the BVI
  • Really (06/09/2012, 08:32) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    There were also many comments on the original article supporting it as it was seen for the tongue in cheek humour that was meant, there was no disrespect to anyone, we all have to laugh at ourselves on occasion.
    • back to africa (07/09/2012, 00:29) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      TO REALLY; You sound so clueless, if you do not know how racism and white supremacist works, please be quiet.
  • yep (06/09/2012, 08:33) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    she should be teaching english for free then
  • well sa (06/09/2012, 08:55) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    I will not be registering for any classes with this woman.....
  • Rick (06/09/2012, 09:00) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Please leave the lady alone. She meant no harm.
    • teacher john (06/09/2012, 09:48) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      that's what some house niggers said about the slave master...leave them alone!!!
    • Observer (06/09/2012, 16:32) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      A few years ago someone made the suggestion at the then BVIHS that English should be taught as a second language. We never heard of him again!
      Stop wallowing in ignorance!
  • qc (06/09/2012, 09:04) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Some body drop the ball on this one..let me see if heads going to roll…she not from here and so many locals looking for wuk
    • billyb (06/09/2012, 09:48) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Look how you spell wuk!!! Yes, I do spell work like that sometimes in my dialect (blogs) however, this is not the place to use it. It's time we learn how and when to use our dialect in the appropriate settings. Yes, our culture is our culture, but let us display some common sense.
      • Pipped (06/09/2012, 14:05) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        So happy you made this point 'Billyb. The gramma and diction used in many comments here clearly demonstrate what Ms. O'Dea was speaking to from a non-native perspective. I am a BVI-Islander who live abroad specifically in the southern part of the US. Trus me you would also have to have certain words in southern dialect translated. Broken english is also spoken in the US, a point I am sure Ms. O'Dea is well aware of. Are we really not conscious of our dialect and how to outsiders it may seem like a foreign language. But we are not the only country - in fact this exists in many countries. And, we should celebrate it as part of our cultural heritage just as we should know proper place and time to speak this way. And no, some locals don't speak proper english when engaging tourists. Are we just mad that some outsider came to our country and pointed out what we already know? The nerve that she dared to voice her thoughs using humor, in a public forum. "Come on...let's lighten up."
      • True (06/09/2012, 16:18) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        It's time that we learn, get your grammar correct if your going to tell someone off for his speech!
      • Pain in the Arse English (06/09/2012, 20:03) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        @billyb come on if there isn't a "grade" being applied to it the man shud be able to spell the word however he please. Ask the woman if and how often is the word LIKE used incorrect. This is my problem with how we speak, it can become a challenge to write and speak correct when you practice not speak the white boy language. I saw a friend use the word converse, had a smile thought you myself SHE brain had to be will engage or mommy spank SHE a few times to make sure SHE used the correct word.
        • billyb (07/09/2012, 10:42) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
          @pain in the arse English, there is no "grade", however, there is a consequence. We shouldn't always let people walk away with the perception that we are all clueless on how to be appropriate. The bible say,"there is a time and a place for everything under the sun". Let this white woman log on the this site and read the blogs and she can see that some of us are actually literate. Don't let her come on and confirm her perception of us.
          The same principle goes for the white people who abuse and misuse the word 'like'.
    • TRUTH (06/09/2012, 14:17) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Why are they complaining if she is teaching by the college. The have young local teachers at the college who have the qualifications but the cannot teach. Why don't they focus on bringing some well trained person to teach in the college. Sometimes you ask them a question and they themselves who suppose to be teach cannot answer the question.
  • billyb (06/09/2012, 09:11) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    She is as right as can be and we know it, we just can't seem to be able to take positive criticism. These same individuals take their dialect and ignorance on the jobs. If we were smart enough to pick and choose where we use these dialects, that would be something else, but we want to write the way we speak on resumes and job letters. I read them all the time.
    Students coming out of our schools are given Government jobs and placed in positions to represent our country and they have not sense of character, intellect or professionalism and THESE ARE OUR FUTURE. What do we expect visitors to think when they come in contact with these individuals? Of course they are going to generalize!! And we are so stupid, just because we want these undereducated hoodlums off the street, we are giving them positions in Government to represent us. SMART MOVE!!!
    HLSCC President Dr. Karl Dawson, please make it your business to keep this woman (whoever she is) on the job. So when my son gets there, he knows exactly what outsiders truly think about us and what we need to do to curtail their perception instead of jumping to deport.
    INDIGINOUS VIRGIN ISLANDER MY BACKSIDE!!! We are a bunch of indigineous fools who are here killing one another on the jobs and rolling out the red carpet for these incomers with fake smiles focused on our treasure and not us.
  • brokes (06/09/2012, 09:18) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    why tola, why not write about the dialect in the USVI and the USA boy boy.

    She had to go mingling with weed heads to write this book. i cant tell when last i hear meson, wa go on, partner, dread, etc

    She got to be in need of money.....

    • Get your facts (07/09/2012, 13:12) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Because it is a book to assist people moving to Tortola....Newbies. It's an informative publication. It is a guide for people new to the country. It provides information on the work permit process and what to do. On how to get your drivers license, where to find a doctor, a dentist. It provides a list of restaurants and bars. Phone numbers. It provides all sorts of helpful information. The page in the book that refers to the dialect the interpretation of such is but one page. The entire publication has hints of humour throughout. It is a fantastic guide and extremely helpful. It is NOT a book about the dialect of the BVI.

      Also every expat in the country knows full well and has heard several times over the words, "Yuh aint’t bahn hare, mehson”.
      • USA (08/09/2012, 22:21) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        If she was in the states and had insulted African Americans the way she did bv islanders they would have run she out of town, but here she is still in the BVI and working for the government.
  • BREAKING NEWS (06/09/2012, 09:19) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    So you want to tell me that no local couldn't get this job ??????????
    • zzzzzzzzzzzzzz (06/09/2012, 13:31) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      so you dey minsiter mek it happen boss
    • Give me a Break (06/09/2012, 13:48) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Not with that double negative you just used. Why don't you check your grammar before you make comments about who should teack English. Perhaps you should take a class with the same O'Dea.
      • she should be gone!!! (08/09/2012, 17:13) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        lawdy ah mussy how you all so mad wid dey world eh? Ms. O'dea need to get out of this country if you ask me...
  • Lawd (06/09/2012, 09:24) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    O'Dea, the writing look like it already on the wall for you. Your best bet is to address the issue with your students and try to intrigrate into the BVI as quietly and easy as possible. Good luck!
  • OUT OF ORDER! (06/09/2012, 10:08) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    She should be in Jamaica and get on with her nis she would get some blows for trying to insult the Jamaicans about their dialect. We Virgin Islanders have to stop these people in their tracks. We allow everybody to laud themselves over us and our culture. I say she shiould not be given the opportunity to insult our students at the college. I think we know where we stand on this one. President Dawson you are insulting your own people, and I expect better from you. I admire your accomplishments but this is where you fail me and I am sure many others too. Stand up for your country, man!
    • to Out of Order (06/09/2012, 15:25) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Do you know there is a Caribbean dictionary with the different pronounciation of words throughout the Caribbean and the true way of how the word should be pronounced? Being a BVIslander we are too small minded and have too much of a thin skin...if we feel the articles this lady wrote was offensive then the ENTIRE Caribbean should feel ashamed of the Caribbean Dictionary (can be researched at the local library). Live and let live, give the woman a break for goodness sake...if that's how alot of the locals speak then that's how they speak!
      • Caribbean Lady (10/09/2012, 13:07) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        I agree, I purchased that same dictionary from the HLSCC bookstore a few years ago while I was a student there and even as a Caribbean person there are some words and phrases that are local BVI lingo which were foreign to me and thankfully that dictionary was able to provide me with a translation. By the way that dictionary was compiled by educators and authors from the caribbean region, I don't know if that makes it more acceptable than a caucasian expat doing the same thing.
  • under the bus (06/09/2012, 10:12) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    I have lost all respect for the recuitment committee and the englsih department for not upholding the college integrity and demonstrating that racism is a no no!!!
    • .... (06/09/2012, 15:41) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      This happens all the time, I'm not surprised. She may even get to be the Head of the English Department as her next appointment.
  • persia (06/09/2012, 10:24) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    my god this one deserve "another wow"
  • Really take a look (06/09/2012, 10:27) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    For those whom bash Ms. O'Dea need to first understand that the 1st newbie publication in which the terms in question where use where not meant to cause such a discord with the local community here and abroad. It was simply meant to be a bit of tongue and cheek humor never meant to be taken seriously or cause anyone any harm. Merly to provide a bit of humor in an other wise hard time that a so called newbie can under go. As for Ms. O'Dea getting a job teaching English at HLSCC I say good for her she is an excellent writer and has a lot to give and teach to the many young people studying at the college. I for one would be honored to have her as my professor/teacher. Ms. O'Dea is the extremely qualified for the job she has been placed in and will help many under her tutelage to grow as writers and as well grow into the greatest generation that the bvi so seeks to have. I say push aside the fact the she is an expat and put aside the controversy see what she can do. Let her do her job as intended and you will see the results. Really take a look and see that we want for our young generation is to have the best, the highest quality and highest standard of education. HLSCC is trying to give the people of the bvi just that with all of it employees. Be the employees from here or not the best education comes from the best educators.... So I implore you to really take a look and at what HLSCC is trying to bring to our youth.
    • x factor (06/09/2012, 13:33) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      I for one was very offended by Ms. O'day story in newbie trying t portray locals as fools. She should not now be teaching at the college denying locals that job after insulting us.
  • saying (06/09/2012, 11:08) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    she need to start with the House of Assembly first. what you all think?
  • Know the Truth (06/09/2012, 11:09) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Ms. O'Dea was the editor of Newbie. She did not write the article. Tell the Truth!
  • Exasperated (06/09/2012, 11:32) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    I can see how some of the contents from BVI NEWBIE could have been misconstrued, but why no mention of Ms. O’Dea’s local charitable efforts, helping to raise money for BVI residents suffering from men’s cancers? Not one word on the excellent promotional books that she, and the rest of the team at alookingglass, have produced and which represent the Territory so beautifully – ‘BVI Marine Guide’ and ‘Taste’. She edited, and alookingglass published, ‘The Eye of the Storm’ a book written by Alison Bramble about the BVI for which all the proceeds go to Special Olympics BVI, a book launched by the BVI Department of Culture and which is now internationally available. The focus of this article has been entirely on how she has ‘insulted’ local residents and nothing about what she has done to help the community. This article is so vindictive and one-sided it has clearly been written to re-ignite friction between BVIslanders and expats, it is a lazy re-hashing of an article published a year ago that incited more racist comments and bad feeling than BVI NEWBIE ever could.
    • Liat 521 (06/09/2012, 12:23) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      ha ha ha ha go back to the USA we do not need racist people living here like you "exasperated"...sick puppy
    • True (06/09/2012, 14:08) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Very well said, another inflamatory article.
    • no way jose (06/09/2012, 14:57) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      TO EXAPERATED: ha ha vindictive by whom????? that she got a job at the college??? please that dog will not sell.
    • correction (07/09/2012, 00:25) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Correction: The BVI Marine Guide is published by Shoreside Yacht Services, a completely different company from the publishers of BVI NEWBIE.
  • Rat Bat (06/09/2012, 11:33) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Relax ppl, I am from here, I read her book and alot of the stuff in there was true. Just keeping it real.
  • DarkVader (06/09/2012, 11:37) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    WOW!! oh but Mr. A. Selwood applied for a job at HLSCC to teach English and they turn him down. They dont know diddly squat about this woman..from whence she came to insult our people about out culture but now the President at HLSCC give her a job?" He permit should not be approved. This is pure maddness going on at HLSCC. They have a burser from USA up there giving people hell..she needs to go home and now they bringing others and refusing to give our well educated locals a job...Mr. Dawson needs to examine himself.
    • net work (06/09/2012, 13:50) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      come on he does not have the connection she has
    • Real Talk2 (08/09/2012, 08:07) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      The admin of the College is local: President, VP, Assocaite VP, and Deans only the Bursar is not from here. Most of the Dept Heads are from here so what local people are they giving hell to?? If you don't like the Newbie fine - but know that she was the editor and not the writer. We have so many things to really be concerned about. Why can't the majority of our students perform well? Speaking and writing standard English is important, when was the last time Mr. Mac or his senior staff members used slang and dialect in Hong Kong or Dubai when in talks with big execs? Don't be distracted by nonsense. If she cannot teach then get rid of her, until then let her prove herself in the classroom.
  • common sense (06/09/2012, 11:41) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    I voted NDP and i must say that i am very disappointed with the labor department.. same problems not being solved..Labor minister not getting the job done. locals not getting their fair share as usual. I AM NOT VOTING AGAIN...
  • w (06/09/2012, 11:48) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Don't see the big deal. Jamaicans are proud of their dialect so why we acting like as if we shame.
  • No Respect (06/09/2012, 12:50) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    So why would you pass up more qualified locals to give an outsider a job? Shouldn't the locals have first access to the position? If there are no qualified local applicants, then it is okay to hire an outsider. This is the process in any civilized society.
  • SandmanIndy (06/09/2012, 13:16) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    People from all over the world speak a little different, she or the magazine just pointed out a few slangs we use. I love where I am from and who I am to let something so simple get me riled up. And yes when we speak to tourists we know how to make them understand what we are saying. Seems like we are smart people to me. Others perspective should not intimidate us.
  • Migrant Worker (06/09/2012, 13:36) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply

    Talk about a racist article! “… a migrant Caucasian worker who was on a work permit…” Since when does the colour of a person’s skin determine who she is or what she can do? I’m an ex-pat and have been in BVI for over 3 years (also a migrant ??!!) and am extremely tired of being blamed for all of Tortola’s social woes. If you had it your way, send all of the expats home, and along with us all of the money we spend on food, clothes, rent, electric, gas, phone, etc.—not to mention our contributions to your Social Security, and Inland Tax Fund—and see what is left. A third-world country where you can’t drink most of the public water—when it occasionally flows, intermittent electric with surges that destroy anything plugged in, an infrastructure that is one big storm away from being non-existent and a work force unable to compete against educated, literate, open-minded outsiders. Yeah, have it your way……

    VINO, you seriously disappoint a former supporter. Are you just trying to stir things up because it was a slow news day?

    Are you afraid to print this?
    • Be Real (06/09/2012, 16:44) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Let's be serious! I can understand the social security, inland revnue and rents taking a hit but the rest is nonsense. You forgot to mention Western Union and MoneyGram would take a hit since monies are being sent out each day and what remains here is to sustain the migrant worker. Since the VI is a third world country to you; you are more than welcome to fly on outta here! Unbelieveable how people complain but still do not wish to go home! Absolutely amazing!
      • dead beat dad (06/09/2012, 17:56) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        excellent point that is the best of expats call down and insult locals
    • good article vino (06/09/2012, 17:24) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      who cares about you go read your site beacon and platinum..ha ha ha he he catter migrant worker
    • FACTS MAN (06/09/2012, 17:33) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      TO MIGRANT WORKER FROM ANOTHER: Ha ha the real racist always trying to call other people racist. The article is facts "MIGRANT WORKER" she is a Caucasian fact; she is or was on a work permit fact; what is the issue?..... you are the real racist ….VINO we will always support you!
    • talk girl talk (07/09/2012, 11:49) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      sorry i do not see where and how the article by vino is racist...very well written if you ask me, we done know who is the racist here BAM
  • Consider ALL the Facts (06/09/2012, 13:42) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Some people do speak with a heavy accent and dialect making them very difficult for newbies, and not so newbies, to understand. It's the same with many accents from many countries. I for one have a difficult time making sense of a Scottish accent. I also have a dear friend on island that I'm constantly asking him to repeat himself. If he was on television they'd have to subtitle his words.

    This book BVI Newbie has been extremely helpful to newbies as it provides endless amounts of useful information. This is a difficult places to figure out what you need to do, where you need to go to get it done and, how to go about it etc. What harm is there in writing in the dialect the truth of what are words so often spoken? I for one recall another weekly entertainment magazine that used to have a column all written in the dialect. I recall being so proud to be able to read it from start to finish and comprehend what was written. Let's not forget that these online news blogs are full of posts from people who write in the same manner. How can you deny that this is not the truth and furthermore, how can you say it's an insult that people would note on the dialect and try to offer some assistance to others totally confused and having to repeatedly ask "pardon, I didn't understand"? The article was not intended as an insult and those who found it insulting surely could not have read the entire publication to understand the context of the article and see the booklet for all the good and benefit it provides to newbies and tourists alike. I'm certain that neither writer, editor, publisher nor reader automatically believes that all the people of the BVI who speak are deviating from some standard of comprehensible pronounciation. The article itself could quite easily be adapted to areas of the USA, Ireland, Scotland, Switzerland ....anywhere in the world. Also keep in mind that many of us jest about our own dialects and colloquialisms as we are proud of from whence we hail and the things that make us unique.

    As for those suggesting that Ms. O'Dea should have been deported or not been hired to teach at the college I am shocked that merely because she was the editor on one publication, intended for expatriates, who would be faced with interpreting the local dialect, that people are jumping on the negative bandwagon. I did a quick research of the woman online and she has edited many great publications that positively bring the BVI into the spotlight. As for her qualifications her profile shows she is more than qualified to teach English. She holds an MA and an MFA in Writing from Johns Hopkins University as well as a BA in English Literature from the University of Maryland. With over ten years' experience working in writing-related fields, she is prepared to tackle any project. I also noted her favorite activty is "picking up hitchhikers". For the BVI, aside from our dailect, the burden of no public transportaion and the need to hitchike is a local reality that even our schoolchildren partake in. Many of us have stood on the side of the road and been passed by. I think that Ms. O'Dea shows a great deal of her love for the country in enjoying picking up those trying to get from point A to point B, making their aquantances and enjoying their stories. We should be proud to have expatriates like her that are doing something good for the BVI. She promotes us, teaches us and lives amongst us. Now please, find something better to do than get all riled up over nothing.
    • we know the history (07/09/2012, 15:29) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      We locals in the BVI done know who the real racists are in the BVI..so all the silly excuses trying to defend them will not work this time, it did not work
  • _________________ (06/09/2012, 13:49) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    not surprise NDP loves whites
  • fish market (06/09/2012, 14:54) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    I fail to understand why after her article in newbie she was still considered for a job at our college???
  • ?? (06/09/2012, 15:35) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    They don't do any back ground check on the employees. They only try to destroy the local instructors. People come and do what they want, get a lot of money from them then laugh at them all the time because they know the system is weak.
  • Rod (06/09/2012, 16:17) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply

    Bet this ...... sleeping with a politician

  • you reap what you sew (06/09/2012, 16:20) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    It is truly a shame that as editor of this helpful guide for expats that live among the people of the B.V.I. would take the necessary measures to insure that what was written was done in taste and not insult any of the locals. What we refuse to realize is that once written it is up to the reader as how it is interpreted, everyone has a right to their opinion and this is the simple facts. Being highly educated is one thing, but having common sense is another. When having such responsibilities as a editor for a magazine that will be read by both expats and locals alike should be done with respect, if you are not from a country what gives you the right to write about how we speak? I am sure she meant no harm and had a good chuckle with her colleagues, this is not the way to introduce yourself to any Caribbean island. What we need to realize is that there is no excuse for making fun of anyone white, black or what ever their ethnicity this is a true shame and it should be a lesson learned! We all have our difference but they are not to be made fun of or used against us, what we need to do is realize where we are and how to be respectful of others and their culture. We are a very proud people and have always been this way, we will move forward from this as it is just a obstacle but must be a lesson learned! I will always be a voice for a people of the B.V.I. and i love and respect all no matter what out differences, language, sex, race etc. I am sure no harm was meant as it was just in jest but however it was a little offensive to the local people and this you must respect. When in another country try your best to act accordingly this is just the unwritten rule, so as editor for any magazine you must think of the repercussions of what you approve to be printed. There are many educated people out there, but we must use our knowledge to promote others and guide the less educated and most certainly have respect for our fellow man and woman.

  • Her Student (06/09/2012, 18:17) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    I am currently one of her students at HLSCC, and despite whatever perceived insults she might have written in her book/article, she is still a well versed and understanding teacher! LOVER!
    • real stuent at HLSCC (07/09/2012, 07:34) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      you are not speaking for the rest of us, if you are indeed a student...as i found no one in agreement with her article!!!!
      • Her Student (10/09/2012, 17:51) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        I wasn't speaking on behalf of the "REST OF YOU"! So next time, ease thyself, and then try to understand a comment before rashly replying to someone's comment. I specifically said "despite whatever perceived insults" that she is still a good teacher! I, frankly, don't care whether someone or anyone agrees with her article!
  • hmm (06/09/2012, 21:24) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    She would get paid more in Baltimore. How come she applied here at the local college?
    • rattie (06/09/2012, 23:45) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      maybe they know why she aint back dey applying..maybe ayo should google her
  • BahnHere (07/09/2012, 11:07) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    I did not appreciate "BVI Newbie", but then again I never like it when "newbie" or tourist guides are written by people who haven't spent enough time in the islands. They never quite sound like they know what they're talking about! For those offended by the explanation of the way we speak, does this offend you: http://cruciandictionary.com/ ?
  • Adam (07/09/2012, 11:10) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Odd that almost all the comments in support are grammatically correct and articulate whilst those against are at best incoherent racist ramblings.
    Says it all really.
    • Is this written Well enough 4 U (07/09/2012, 23:44) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Adam, I am pretty sure your Bit..A.. understood each and every commment even though they were badly written and filled with grammatical errors.

      Was that written well enough for you Adam or would you have preferred it if i had used the word Good and not Well perhap the usage of the word badly disappoints you.

      Kiss My VI Black A.. @Amen!!!!!
  • Amen (07/09/2012, 14:16) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    My thoughts exactly.

  • I like Newbie (07/09/2012, 14:28) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    I found the book to be a positive reflection of both BVIslanders and the territory. There is not any mention of races in the book. Nor is there a specific article that discusses it. Isn't "Tolian" a term that describes a nationality and not a single ethnicity? Generalising a nationality as a certain race is more racisist than anything in the book. Like saying, "All lizards are green!" It's only true sometimes, even if it is most of the time. That still doesn't make it right

    Seems like some people are more worried she might actually do a good job and some kids might learn something.
    • ------------------ (07/09/2012, 15:25) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      It continues to amaze me how some of Tricia friends or she herself on here blogging trying to justify insulting, insective, offensive and demeaning behaviour.

      She has insulted locals and we must be able to express so. Shame on the college to be hiring such a person and rejecting your own!!
      • Haha! (08/09/2012, 07:42) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        Haha - you need to sign up for some English lessons because this is hilarious!
        If you trying to write in English - FAIL!
        If you trying to write in native Virgin Island language - FAIL.

        The woman's name is Tracy, not Tricia.
        'Insective'???? Unbelievable word. Maybe you're looking for the word 'invective', which you wouldn't use in the way you have that sentence set up.
        You really think the woman going to come on here and argue against a half bake like you? She is educated and she is a good person. Not like most of all you who just want to hate her because she's white.
        • english police (08/09/2012, 08:27) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
          i will be ok i will learn all the english i want now that Traci is my teacher...oh yea
  • Interesting.......Not! (07/09/2012, 15:04) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    You guys are the best. Do you know what an editor does? they edit books for grammatical and spelling errorS and that sort of thing, they are not responsible for the content of the book, they can make suggestions, but ultimately, the content of the book is up to the author.

    So the questions becomes, who wrote the magazine, it may surprise you all to know it was written by your own, go do the research and maybe you can throw that person/persons under the bus, the same way you all are content to roll the bus over this woman.

    And you may fool yourselves about yourselves, which would indeed make you a fool but you cant fool everyone. Our people do speak like that and if you are going to be this sensitive about it, STOP DOING IT!
    • Always a house Negro!!! (07/09/2012, 23:19) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Other nickname House negros should be strung UP!!!!

      @ Interesting......Not

      Yes we speak like that and we know it, and every Caribbean country has its twang “and I have made fun many times at how we drag our words, but it should be noted that we can change and change well enough to be understood, therefore the need for a how to /translation book is unnecessary. The Title of the book “you aint bahn here mehn son" speaks heavy in condescension which suggest a dislike for the culture and the people of the VI, the title could have been something else. Any one with some sense especially under the current climate "the local expats divide" would know it was a slap in the face of the VI people. White americans have a history of isolating behavior of other races and creating sterotypes in order to make fun of and demean "Black man loves his chicken and water melon" like they dont!


      I would bet that it wasn't written by a VI Black person, and if it was that person should be strung up and dealt with even more severe than we would Miss O’Dea!!!!

      No one likes to be made fun of and to be made fun of in that way shows a lack of respect and we had a right to react like we did. People suggest that VI people are soft, no we aren't we just don't like to show out too much in public!!!

      People say that we aren't nice to expats; it’s like this when you in a man house act like you are a guest. White people on the Islands, we don’t' trust you "Enslavement, segregation, even though I think segregation was better for us, and then there is Greed, you blank white people don't want to share. you must live well while the darker people of the world struggle while hearing you say its because you are better!!!!

      Imagine you come to my country and decide to isolate yourself with a big you aren't welcome sign (Sugglers Cove) , should be renamed white man's cove no negros allowed!!!!! and all the other spots that you have decide only whites you should live!!!!
  • she again??? (07/09/2012, 16:00) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Seems like controversy always following poor Traci..lol
  • white migrant worker (08/09/2012, 00:41) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    The reason she got the job is because she is better educated, better qualified and smarter than anyone else who applied. But then when did that come into getting a job in the public sector in the BVI? Shit she must be the smartest person there....lucky students might actually learn something this year. Nasty vicious people, picking on one person, Looking Glass isn't her company, why dont you take it up with the people who own the publication not the poor girl who was working there? Youre all just jealous because she's hotter than you, ha ha ha.
    • Fight Harder!!! (08/09/2012, 13:04) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply

      @White migrant worker.

      If you have spent any time interacting with Black People from the VI you would known that we are just like many of you. A few of us are bad but many more falls on the good side. However, in no way should you take us for fools and if you ever make that mistake you for sure will bring out the NASTY and VICIOUS in us. However,If you would like to see vicious and nasty read the blogs that were written by white folks commenting about black folks, go right ahead some of the most vile wicked things you can say about a human, but you feel justified don't you.

      When ever the playing fields aren’t skewed in your favor we prove that you aren't any smarter , but I am pretty sure that observation flies over your head.

      White folks you created this atmosphere with your GREED, SELFISHNESS and HATE. what should we do lay down and allow you to continue with your s..t!!!

      Give me a break the jews reminds the world every time they can about the holocaust, I think we have a right to let you folks know that we aren't going to tolerate any crap no matter how small.

      Y'all talk amongst yourself about us. we talk to, we talk about the efforts made by you to insure only white people live in certain area. We here the comments suggesting that if you are black and have wealth you must be a drug dealer, we hear those things. So Dont act like yall aren't NASTY and VICIOUS people!!!!!

  • ausar (08/09/2012, 06:49) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    "Rattie", go to USSEARCH.com and for a few dollars dig up all of the pertinant information on anyone!!

    Trust me, even the officers of the courts here on St. Thomas uses this website as an effective tool for information!
  • ausar (08/09/2012, 07:17) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    You know as I sat and read this whole article and it's comments, I can't help but to wonder why an expatriate-European expatriate would feel the need to write such a book.

    It just attests to the fact that many of those people who come to live among us for a short while , all of a sudden they are a consummate expert on Virgin Islander(British) dress, style, diet, vernacular and culture-in essence, our way of life. All of a sudden they must make money on our way of life while we must become spectators in the whole process.

    How dare we Virgin Islanders(B) question O'Dea's motives on this book. How dare we!!!

    We must not be naive to believe that this is not a serious offence to Virgin Islands(B) culture and way of life. All this parallels what we are seeing in the employment arena here. I've read many of the news mediums-paper and online-and just looking at an ad for employment by an expatriate company.....-not verbatim.."-must be able to communicate effectively..".

    When we read these statements, we must not take them lightly.For, a black young man from America and a black young man from the Virgin Islands(B) applying for a job has no physical distinctions unless he really begins to speak!! Our vernacular clearly distinguishes us as Virgin Islanders(B) and we must always monitor those who tends to offend our way of speech.

    We are already beginning to see the fallouts in the employment sector with their ads and their need for "effective communicative skills".

    Trust me, they're not talking about effective writing skills!
  • hlscc english dept (08/09/2012, 09:38) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    I am told that the college has no intension of removing her from her post…what it says is who really has the power in this country!!!!
    • Why should they (08/09/2012, 12:20) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      I have written a few comments on here none of which was in her favor, but i don't believe they should remove her from her post.
      • PAPER BOUY (08/09/2012, 13:43) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        YES SHE SHOULD IF SHE HAD DONE THIS IN THE USA SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN GONE LONG TIME..ONLY IN THE BVI THEY COME HERE AND COULD GET AWAY WID TIS PISS
    • ... (09/09/2012, 07:44) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      If the degrading statements was made by a BVIslander that person would have been pushed out the door.
  • question for you? (08/09/2012, 19:58) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    does any one know how much she makes?
  • next (08/09/2012, 22:09) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    cannot believe my hard own tax $$$$$ paying this lady after she insulted my people with her offensive and rotten article
  • How?? (09/09/2012, 13:08) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    The amount of personal/professional information the college requires for employment, how the heck did she slip through the cracks?
  • get real (10/09/2012, 12:15) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    If a black man had written those offensive thing in a major white country or islands his head would have been gone but see it’s like nothing happen everybody going on there merry way!
  • AntiRacistLeague (10/09/2012, 12:32) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply

    There is no point in arguing with you race haters. You just want to make all white people into hate figures, just like racists do in Europe and the USA with black people or Native Americans or Pakistanis or North Africans. In those countries people who talk/write like you all are called rightwing racist nut cases. They don't use rational thought, they use emotional bullcr*p to make arguments that suit their own personal/cultural issues and they see everything through a racial lense. They are also very cruel to fellow human beings, but they seem not to care because they are so sure that the wickedness of these outsiders justifies any amount of cruelty. Many of the comments on here fit this classic racist mold exactly and that's a bitter irony.
    I agree a few expats here might act racist sometimes, but the majority by a long way don't have any kind of race-based agenda. If you object to them trying to live like they want to - ie having things they would have in the US or wherever, and spending time with people they feel comfortable with for cultural reasons - then you object to the concept of people living 'free' and you are saying that in the BVI people cannot be free to live how they want, within the law. In the USA people can, and of course immigrant communities there stick together and gradually over time these groups make up the fabric of the bigger culture as it evolves. West Indian immigrants in New York don't hang around together? Italians? Puerto Ricans? Japanese in San Fran? All these groups make the place richer for the diversity they bring.
    So what are these people poor naieve white people supposed to do here in the BVI? Pretend they not from Europe/USA? Learn Tortolian ways and only mingle with local people, many of whom who apparently hate them before they know them? Should they pretend they aren't white and darken their skin? Or maybe you would prefer them to wear KKK face masks all the time at their expat places of work, or be forced to get a tattoo on their forehead saying "I AM EVIL AND WANT TO OPPRESS PEOPLE WITH DARKER SKIN THAN ME"?
    You shouting and screaming blue murder at people who don't understand what the heck they've done wrong. But hey, call someone a racist and if that's what you want them to be, you all will never be convinced they aren't because you're looking at them through a lens that doesn't allow for anything else. This woman was actually trying to help outsiders get through the difficulty of moving to a country where everything seems strange when they first arrive. As expats themselves, but with some experience of life here, it's obvious that they would be the people to write such a book because they should understand both sides of the fence.
    Clearly they didn't understand well enough that almost anything they do as white expats will be taken as an affront to so many local people. They didn't know they never stood a chance from the beginning because so many of you define them as bad people, whatever they are in reality.
    You keep framing everything in this way and accusing innocent people of wickedness if it somehow makes you feel better. But one thing I know, it isn't helping the BVI one little bit.

    • black power (10/09/2012, 22:56) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      just get is right and straight for once; blacks in the bvi cannot be racist as they have no power in this country. sorry but this has been a long established fact!! now therefore it left with who the real racist are and those who continue to advocate white supremacist. we see some of it in the writing on these comments and hear them every day in this little bvi
      • daddy (11/09/2012, 08:18) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        i could not agree with you more "black power" you hit the nail on the head!!!
      • AntiRacistLeague (11/09/2012, 12:10) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        Black Power and daddy you talking utter bull cr*p.
        For one - anyone anywhere can be racist because racism is simply prejudice against another on the basis of skin color. Chinese can be racist against Indian, black african can be racist against arab african, black person can be racist against white person. That's just a fact.
        I know you and the likes of you don't like facts because they get in the way of your victim agenda, but so what. Deal with the reality and not dream up some kind of 'rule' that "blacks in the bvi cannot be racist". You making sh*t up, that's all you doing.
        Black people here don't have no power? You don't think Doc Orlando have any say on what happens here? Or Picko? Or Ralph when he is in government? You seriously saying black people in the BVI are so weak and incapable that they can't affect what happens in the BVI? Have some damn pride in our people. You want to paint a picture of everybody who black being all weak and walk over by others, but that's not whats happening. Plenty BVIslanders are changing their world and changing ours. It's just a state of mind.
        And don't even stop there. What about any time a BVIlsander go into Labour, Planning or other government office? You think they can't get anything done? Of course they can - we can get anything we want done because we know all the people who work in civil service, so we know how to make things happen. Expats and outsiders got to wait and wait, got be told to come back another day, got to be told the file get lost and no one can help them, got to be mock and laughed at by the staff because they ain one a we. And you saying you can't get anywhere in life when all the systems are lined up in your favour with your friends relatives behind every decision making desk?
        Sounds like you better get your act together. Maybe stop spend so much time dreaming up reasons you so weak, and find ways to use the strength you have but can't see.
        And by the way, read another book. There is more than just slavery and oppression in Caribbean history. If you want to stop there and call yourself smart, that's just foolish. If you read anything and everything you'll grow your mind - not just books that tell you you're oppressed and weak.
  • Really! (10/09/2012, 12:36) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    This is what this work up is about..In my opinion, I don't think its racial and if you find time to justify such then thanks for the subliminal message. Take a look at when our cruise ship comes, bearing in mind the age group of these individuals when they walk across our town, the type of places they venture into when they visit. Long story short, I believe that she was referring to a particular audience that wines and dines comfortably with the locals in parties, celebrations, bon fires etc...that type of audience will usually run into alot of locals with slangs of that sort that does not justifies his intelligence but confirming him as a VI local. A different type of audience that wishes to dine at a 5 star restaurant would unlikely meet a local that will address them in slangs. Come on BVI, we are just too petty on stuff like this. Why don't we talk about the rise in crimes to protect our tourist & locals, or the rise in the gay society that will corrode our youngsters or the little restroom our tourist have to use as public restrooms along with the use of the Banks and other corporate facilities that accomodates them...when you travel to other countries, you will meet the same thing...locals that uses their slang to advertise " Hey Mon" n the list goes on...as a beautiful island with so many dialects collectively we should be damn proud...drop the subject and Miss O'Dea write carefully and take this into positive stride by teaching these college students that making mistakes like this can offend a territory and perhaps lose their job or may we think positive and carefully explain our dialects to our tourists that grace our shores to ensure their comfort...we are an intelligent country, should we let that little critic buckle us?
  • staff (10/09/2012, 15:24) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Some of you better stop beating a dead horse as she aint going no what as Dr. D got her back
  • dodi (11/09/2012, 15:58) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    I've read all these comments - well written some, and awful others. I must say that what strikes me most here is the racism .. not from Ms O'Dea, but from many of the "locals" who have chosen to pen opinions. Do you not realise that racism is not the sole property of Caucasians? Ms O'Dea's greatest offence - in summary of all the opinions here - would appear to be having a white skin and choosing to live (and benefit the community) in a place where she wasn't "bahn"!
    • kkk (11/09/2012, 23:08) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      stop the hog wash "DODI" as locals cannot be racist..they are powerless to be so...the real racist are you know who!!!
      • AntiRacistLeague (12/09/2012, 10:18) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        Hey kkk - why you choose that name, because you admire those people?
        Read our comments above and explain how in the heck you can decide who is a racist and who is not.
        You feel powerless? Well then you just less.
        BVIslanders have opportunity like crazy and all you can do is cry that locals are weak and soft and can't get anywhere in our own damn country?
        Have some pride. Have some gumption. Stop faking your own oppression just so you can go round talking like the Klu Klux Klan.
        • FBI (12/09/2012, 15:59) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
          You tola people soft..after all this Trica is still on her job being paid by your tax dollars..what a shame and fool fool set of people only in the BVI.
  • Wonderwoman (12/09/2012, 12:57) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    People here commenting and have not read the article... All of you should shut ya mouths, if you have not read the article and get real! THERE IS TRUTH to her article. I am not saying that it is not offensive. Parts of it definitely are. However, we need to look at ourselves as a people and just accept some truths about our society and culture. EVERYBODY KNOWS that all of us, DO NOT speak standard English all the time. Remember, this is a free country ... and if we are to TRUELY be free we have to EXCERCISE FREEDOM OF SPEECH FOR ALL RESIDENTS. I am a born n raised BVIslander and I say GET OVER IT BVI.
  • NEXT TOPIC (12/09/2012, 23:00) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    NEXT PLEASE WE HAD ENOUGH


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