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‘US can’t make laws for VI!’ – Edmund G. Maduro

Edmund G. Maduro continues to speak on the issue of the FATCA agreement and its possible effect on Virgin Islanders. Above are Maduro (right) and former co-host of the show Rajah A. Smith during a meeting some months ago. Photo: Team of Reporters
ROAD TOWN, Tortola, VI – Radio Show host Edmund G. Maduro continues to call for the Government to uphold the rights of BVIslanders with regard to the recently signed intergovernmental agreement between the Territory and the United States to bring into effect the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) which allows for exchange of tax information.

“The United States of America or no country in the world can make laws to govern [us] in the British Virgin Islands…There are enough measures in place for the United States to get whatever information they want on anybody doing business here,” Maduro said, speaking on his EGM radio show last Thursday July 10, 2014 on ZROD 103.7 FM.

He is of the opinion that for any information to be released an application must be made through the court. “And the court must examine the application and make sure that the United States has a right to the information it is asking [for],” said Maduro.

“This is not an easy situation but ignorance overrules,” he said. He noted that the fact that other countries have signed the agreement should not be a consideration for the Virgin Islands.

“Other countries have signed it, but I don’t care who signed it. I am saying each and every one of us has the right to our personal secret information and there is already an established way of getting that information,” he said.

“Anybody that wants that information and they can prove to the courts that they have a legitimate claim to that information they can get it,” he said. “Our Constitution says we have that right to secrecy. Who is our leader to go and sign it away,” he asked.

FATCA is a United States federal law that requires United States persons living outside the United States to report, among other things, their income to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). The signing took place in Washington DC June 30, 2014 and Premier and Minister of Finance Dr the Honourable D. Orlando Smith made the trip to sign the agreement.

25 Responses to “‘US can’t make laws for VI!’ – Edmund G. Maduro”

  • pat (15/07/2014, 09:14) Like (2) Dislike (2) Reply
    tis moo moo again eh?
  • Online Now (15/07/2014, 09:35) Like (5) Dislike (4) Reply
    How difficult is this to understand? This only applies to US citizens - if you are really worried and are a BVIslander, just give back your US citizenship.
    • The Watcher (15/07/2014, 18:57) Like (1) Dislike (1) Reply
      Can tell when some posters are new citizens and have no VI roots. Some really don't understand this issue as well as they think they. You may understand the bluffed threat but not the issue.

      Double taxation is unconstitutional for US citizens to begin with so this is a slippery slope that will even get Obama in trouble. But the pet government we have will learn the hard way.

      And if you think that the million & billionaire right wingers will stand for this you're mad, as matter of fact some of you are mad that you're not a dual US citizen but that's your parent's fault. Why do the US celebrate on 4th of July? Fools.
  • please (15/07/2014, 09:40) Like (2) Dislike (1) Reply
    What is wrong with this guy, it only affects US citizens, he is just scaremongering
  • wtf? (15/07/2014, 09:43) Like (10) Dislike (2) Reply
    FATCA is NOT A LAW! It is an AGREEMENT!!! If you want to be use US Banks, US financial Services products etc. then you have to sign the agreement. BVI refuses to sign and tomorrow kiss everything good bye. Which part of that doesn't Edmund understand? FATCA only applies to US Citizens, NOT all BVIslanders! US Citizens have ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLWAYS had an obligation to report and/or pay taxes to the US Authorities, ALWAYS! FATCA simply makes it easier for them to catch the ones that don't. Yes, it's the US stretching their arms as usual but UK is also planning the same thing. Why doesn't Edmund get a qualified accountant who understands FATCA to get on his show and go over the issue in its entirety? What is Edmund's background on such topics? Everyone has the right to speak their mind but come on, spewing erroneous information over the airwaves is not something we want happening in the BVI where Financial Services is the bread and butter. Come on man, we need to do better. It's not everything we play politics with.
  • Really? (15/07/2014, 09:45) Like (8) Dislike (1) Reply
    I am saying each and every one of us has the right to our personal secret information and there is already an established way of getting that information,” he said.

    Does Edmund realize that no matter where a US Citizen lives, that they're still a US Citizen with certain requirements? If they don't like it they can simply renounce their Citizenship. He keeps talking about court and constitution, but a Citizen of a country means you adhere to that country's rules. You cannot have your cake and eat it too Edmund. USA are telling their Citizens they have to report. USA are not telling BVI Citizens to report anything. Get it?
  • conrad madura (15/07/2014, 09:49) Like (7) Dislike (1) Reply
    My dearest brother, everybody knows the usa cant make laws for the bvi, any dumbo will understand that, but how many bvislanders and down islanders that go to the us and make their babies, now the enjoy all the free this and free that and boast that their kids is us citizen, so tell me, all the free this and free that they were getting, who do you think paid for those, those same children that was born way back then and is now adult are paying back their fair share so that others can enjoy what they enjoyed when they were babies, stop crying, pay your fair share, you born in the usa, give uncle sam what belongs to him, i full agree with dr smith, stop making this a political matter, those people are us citizen it has nothing to do wth you edmund, the usa is asking about their people, not the bvi people, if they dont want that then let them renounce their citizenship and see how much of them would choose that option, LOL.
    • U S passport holder (15/07/2014, 14:57) Like (2) Dislike (0) Reply
      I just renewed my U S passport. They checked the last Ten Years of my U S tax returns and determined that I was paid up to date. Then they renewed my passport for ten years. When you go to renew your U S passport they will do the same starting this year 2014!
  • qc (15/07/2014, 09:50) Like (3) Dislike (2) Reply
    tell them Edmund
  • The Watcher (15/07/2014, 10:00) Like (3) Dislike (2) Reply
    Oh dear..........Mr. Maduro displays a woeful ignorance of the reality. If the BVI does not sign up as he suggests then BVI accounts are considered "recalcitrant" by U.S. authorities. The result of this is that 30% will be deducted from any payments for BVI accounts going via U.S. banks (and they all do - we use US$ Mr. Maduro). Can I suggest you actually read the legislation or the wide range of summaries that are available online?
  • Go on (15/07/2014, 10:31) Like (4) Dislike (1) Reply
    Dear Maduro, go talk to our BVI Financial Investigation Agency. They have bright brochures with pictures that will explain it to you. For the rest of us it is simple: provide info or perish. All countries are cooperating in sharing info, and you would knock out the BVI as an offshore finance centre because you don't know what you are talking about.
  • Well.. (15/07/2014, 11:52) Like (1) Dislike (1) Reply
    And this is who we want as the mouth piece of the BVI? You have got to be crazy! Not one clue what he's talking about but shouting the loudest. What's even more sad is that if you put the facts right infront of him he will find some way to rant and rage about his years of service in the BVI and how he is so smart and should be listened to. Schups.
  • stupidness (15/07/2014, 11:53) Like (1) Dislike (3) Reply
    As I have said previously, the Government in negotiating this agreement really ought to put thought into the fact many Virgin Islanders are also US Citizens (not including myself) or are considered residents of the USA (e.g. a green card holder or someone who has stayed in the USA for 32 days consecutively). Having considered that fact they ought to have made arrangements so that these individuals are not double taxed, that is paying taxes both here and in the US. Such agreements exist between a multitude of states, including between the USA and the UK namely, the UK/USA Double Taxation Convention, 2001. FATCA Inter-Governmental Agreements do not supersede that treaty, because it is just that, an agreement not a treaty. Also such an agreement exists between UK and the BVI. It is unfortunate that our government was not far-sighted enough to negotiate such an agreement.

    It is often said that if you don’t want to pay FATCA, renounce your citizenship. Firstly, as just stated FATCA is not just aimed at green card holders or citizens, but persons that the US considers to be residents (e.g. persons that have stayed with in the US for more than 32 days consecutively) as well. Secondly, renouncing your citizenship for tax purposes is prohibited, and even if the renunciation is successful, FATCA still catches you for at least a year afterwards and perhaps until you pay all the back-taxes that you didn’t know you had to pay (for e.g. a VI-US dual national that has never lived, worked or gone to school in the US could not be reasonably expected to know that he/she had to pay taxes on their income to the IRS).
    • l (15/07/2014, 14:56) Like (3) Dislike (0) Reply
      They would not have to pay dual taxes. They will file their return as a US citizen working overseas. Records of local taxes paid must be sent with the tax return.
    • stupidness (15/07/2014, 15:00) Like (1) Dislike (1) Reply
      Whether you like or dislike the comment they are the facts!
    • @ stupidness (15/07/2014, 17:07) Like (0) Dislike (1) Reply
      Facts what? You have no clue what the hell you talking about when you speak of double-taxation. Please go read up and stop chatting nonsense! You report the taxes paid in BVI on what you earn while living/working in BVI and there's a threshold that you need to meet in order to actually pay US tax. Reporting is a must either way. Two paragraphs of pure stupid!
      • stupidness (15/07/2014, 20:32) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
        to @ stupidness, now you are talking pure nonesense. Firstly, as you would know or should know, the taxes you pay in the BVI have no relevance. Secondly, you personally do not report, the model agreement requires for financial institutions to report to the the Government which then transmits the information to the IRS once you have $50k in your bank account. After which the IRS will no doubt contact the individual with a bill. The amount of taxes you pay in the BVI is NOT reported, the IRS has no interest in that. We do not have an agreement against double taxation with the US, there will be double taxation. Therefore, before telling someone they should read up perhaps you should do so yourself and then perhaps you wouldn't sound so ignorant!
  • lmao (15/07/2014, 11:55) Like (3) Dislike (2) Reply
    And he have poor Raja next to him cheerleading and he don't even have a clue to tell him any better. These people are fear mongers, they can't get anybody to listen to them unless they're shouting about the sky falling. Raja boss I feel for you trust me. Every where you turn, LMAO! Not a decent shoulder to lean on for guidance.
  • james (15/07/2014, 14:08) Like (0) Dislike (2) Reply
    I wonder if Mr. Maduro is aware that every US dollar transaction must go through a US bank? Is he forgetting that we use the US dollar as our official currency?
  • l (15/07/2014, 14:52) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
    Personally, I see no reason to sign on to FACTA. United States citizens are already required to file an Income Tax Return every year, no matter where they work.
  • so......... (15/07/2014, 17:25) Like (2) Dislike (0) Reply
    But they do not do it - even those U.S. persons who live here. So they need a way of enforcing their laws - FATCA is it.
  • vex (15/07/2014, 18:57) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Edmund poor fella
  • Release (16/07/2014, 00:46) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    No out side influence should be able to force from office another law on the BVI especially at a time when the BVI is not doing so well under this goverment
  • wize up (16/07/2014, 04:41) Like (1) Dislike (1) Reply
    only edmund;talk !!!! talk and more talk !!!!!! this man been talking trash for years now. at his age he should bring more to the table but he has the right to talk(the law says so,,keep on talking son!!!!!)
  • The Law (16/07/2014, 23:22) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    If you are a U.S Citizen, one is required to file with the IRS every year. This also applies to "green card" holders. (I, personally, am aware of many Green Card holders who have never filed. With FATCA now signed, it will only be a matter of time before "green card" holders are caught.) If you are living & working abroad, when you file with the U.S. IRS - there is a separate form for just that purpose, which must be filed with the IRS. Their is a ceiling $$$ cap on the amount earned. If one earns over that amount it becomes taxable. Consult with a tax specialist It has always annoyed me to listen to BVIslanders holding a BVI Passport & also a US Passport rave about the US government "perks" they have gotten (mostly in St.Thomas, St.John & St. Croix) because they have a US passport BUT pay nothing into the system that supplies those "perks".


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