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UPDATE: What makes the VI different? Fan on absence of Pari-mutuel Wagering

- Horse racing fans say Govt should approve betting at races in the Virgin Islands
The Boxing Day races on Tortola is the single event that brings the people of the Virgin Islands and tourists from around the world, together in one place to celebrate the joys of the festive season. Photo: VINO
Fans of horse racing are optimistic that the sport will not die in the Virgin Islands but feels that it has been on the decline over the past few years. They feel this year, 2012 has been the worse yet, blaming the absence of pari-mutuel wagering as being the root cause of this. The opinion was expressed by several patrons of the game at the Boxing Day races at Ellis Thomas Downs in Sea Cows Bay. Photo: VINO
Fans of horse racing are optimistic that the sport will not die in the Virgin Islands but feels that it has been on the decline over the past few years. They feel this year, 2012 has been the worse yet, blaming the absence of pari-mutuel wagering as being the root cause of this. The opinion was expressed by several patrons of the game at the Boxing Day races at Ellis Thomas Downs in Sea Cows Bay. Photo: VINO
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The "for and against" debate over whether pari-mutuel wagering should be introduced in the Virgin Islands has taken flight with the churches in the VI expressing their opposition to it being introduced in the Territory while other sections of the community believes the betting system is a perfectly good thing to salvage the now feeble sport. Photo: VINO/File
Senior Pastor at the Cane Garden Bay Baptist Church, Reverend Dr. Melvin Turnbull, explained that gambling may be practiced in many different ways and these include, but are not limited to the lottery, ponzi-schemes or pyramid schemes and pari-mutuel betting. He added that some forms appear to be quite innocent, and sometimes percentages of the profits are used for a good cause. “God’s Word, however, indicates that gambling in any form is contrary to the Will of God for a Believer.” Photo: hopefestivalvi.com
Senior Pastor at the Cane Garden Bay Baptist Church, Reverend Dr. Melvin Turnbull, explained that gambling may be practiced in many different ways and these include, but are not limited to the lottery, ponzi-schemes or pyramid schemes and pari-mutuel betting. He added that some forms appear to be quite innocent, and sometimes percentages of the profits are used for a good cause. “God’s Word, however, indicates that gambling in any form is contrary to the Will of God for a Believer.” Photo: hopefestivalvi.com
Talk show host Mr Edmund Maduro said pari-mutuel betting should be accepted because there was nothing wrong with it and felt the church was being hypocritical on the issue. Photo: VINO/File
Talk show host Mr Edmund Maduro said pari-mutuel betting should be accepted because there was nothing wrong with it and felt the church was being hypocritical on the issue. Photo: VINO/File
Fans in St. Croix are able to place their bets at the Randall ‘Doc’ James Racetrack. Photo: VINO/File
Fans in St. Croix are able to place their bets at the Randall ‘Doc’ James Racetrack. Photo: VINO/File
SEA COWS BAY, Tortola, VI- “Render unto Caesar the things that are of Caesar and unto God the things that are of God, in the house of Caesar betting or the fancy name you call it, Pari-mutuel Wagering, is the order of the day, so why this government don’t allow the sport to grow by approving the one main thing that makes the game of horse racing?"

"Around the world, where there is horse racing this is the order, What makes Tortola any different when it comes to the one event, the only event on this island that is big during the Christmas season?” An expression of a horse racing fan for as long as he has been resident in the Virgin Island, Raynard W.B. Cline.

Fans of horse racing are optimistic that the sport will not die in Tortola but feels that it has been on the decline over the past few years. They feel this year, 2012 has been the worse yet, blaming the absence of pari-mutuel wagering as being the root cause of this. The opinion was expressed by several patrons of the sport at the Boxing Day races at Ellis Thomas Downs in Sea Cows Bay.

There were those  however, who didn’t care much about weather Pari-mutuel Wagering is allowed or not, “look we come out here to have a nice time and that is all that matters to me, once deh don’t stop this event, I could care less.” said Neisha A., a patron at the activity yesterday December 26, 2012. Her view was supported by several of her friends amounting in excess of ten persons.

Heels and sneakers competitions, fashion displays, the dancing candy Christmas tree and as usual residents from Tortola, its sister Islands and tourists turned the Ellis Thomas Downs into a spectacle as part of the highly anticipated Boxing Day races. It’s the single event that brings the people of Tortola, sister islands and tourist from around the world, together in one place to celebrate the joys of the festive season.

The issue of Pari-mutuel Wagering has been a long debated one with persons in all sectors giving their support; Minister for Sports Myron V. Walwyn on the side of the government, Pastor Cecil Parillon of Faith Baptist Church and other religious leaders on the side of the church.

Long-time supporter of horse racing Raynard W.B. Cline had a mouthful to say about where the sport is heading in Tortola. “Look you would be surprised to see the magnitude that this game would grow to if only people know that they could come here and get to do betting, here me nah, deh government would have to look at extending this ground and these stand and hotels wouldn’t have rooms enough to hold tourists around this time,” he said.

According to the patron, “We fear God yes, but some people read part of the bible and leave other parts out, you can’t want come to a shop that sell grocery and expect to get hardware, that will be foolish and that just the case in this issue right now.”

67-year-old “Auntie Rita”, as she is rather be referred to, shared her view on the issue. “If that is what makes the game and if it matters for the people that invest their money to care for horses all year long to bring them her to race for us, then the government should make it legal but in fairness to others put some rest restrictions to it (pari-mutuel Wagering).”

The elderly, supported by her husband, said Government and promoters of the sport should have a special stand for persons wishing to engage in betting. “There would be need for maximum police presence and the cost for entering the betting stand should be more than the regular stand,” she said adding, “I am a Christian woman all my life but I think we cannot impose our values as Christians on others who are not mindful of it.

Militia Y. Lettsome, a teenager at yesterday’s horse racing, said that for her and peers the races activity is a time for them to get fashionable. “Look at us, this is about the only time during this whole season for me and friends to get fashionable, dress in our heels and sneaker, fancy clothes and so, once they don’t stop keeping the event that’s all that matters to me. I’ll continue coming here every year and just have fun. Maybe as I grow older I might have a different opinion but for now this is it.”

Mr. Blyden, a resident who was accompanied by a group of friend from the USA, said he felt that the standard of the event should be taken to another level. He said that every year his friends would come from the USA to spend Christmas and together they would attend the event. “we can do better, we can make this a better international event, look at the stage, look at the set up for the band, we can do a much better thing than this.” Mr. Bladen also noted the need for additional stand and supported the idea of pari-mutuel Wagering. “… come on, but that’s what the game is all about, betting, that makes the game.”

Several persons at the sports were observed engaging in the activity of betting and they declined to comment but according to one, “We got to do what we got to do, deh government aint got nothing to do about this, they don’t give us a cent to help us with our horses and deh pocket for winning is nothing not to talk bout if you lose,” said the man.

See previous story posted on October 26, 2012

VI Churches firmly against Pari-mutuel Wagering

- Tug-of-war of opinions in community

As the issue of pari-mutuel wagering takes more legs as the sport of the Virgin Islands- horse-racing- continues to dwindle, the for and against debate has also taken flight with the churches in the VI expressing their opposition to it being introduced in the Territory while other sections of the community believe the betting system is a perfectly good thing to salvage the now feeble sport.

There is undoubted support for pari-mutuel Wagering to be introduced to Horse Racing in the Virgin Islands but according to the Minister for Sports Myron V. Walwyn, who told his political party talk show NDP radio on October 15, 2012, “the BVI is a very religious society.”

This position even prompted a caller to the talk show Sports Talk, which was aired on Saturday October 20, 2012 on a local radio station, to claim that most “hypocrites are in the church”.

The male caller to the show had told the listening public that “we should stop the foolishness about Christian society as we are just like any other place”.  The caller said in the VI we have “lottery tickets, whore houses, gambling, cock fights and there is nothing to prevent us from having pari-mutuel.” The caller to the Sports Talk show, however, did not elaborative on what he meant by “most hypocrites are in the church.”

Church’s Position

Virgin Islands News Online recently embarked on getting a clear position from the churches in the VI on pari-mutuel wagering. The general opinion was that it was against bible principles but many church leaders declined to comment further. Some claimed they were not able to fully acquaint themselves with the issue or were too busy to offer any comment on the subject.

Pastor Cecil Parillon of Faith Baptist Church said he personally did not believe in any form of gaming and that he was certain that his position was the church’s position as well.

Reverend Dr. Melvin A. Turnbull of the Cane Garden Bay Baptist Church had much more to say on his position on pari-mutuel wagering and that he was only following God’s word as everything else was immaterial once the bible makes a clear position on a subject.

“My position on what could be considered a vexing issue is simply to speak where God speaks, and to be still until He does. It needs to be understood that God’s direction to mankind is basically communicated in two main ways: through laws and or through principles. Where there is a law, there is no room for debate – it’s either we obey and ‘live’ or disobey and ‘die.’ In the absence of a law, we look for the principle being taught – that is always applicable. In other words, whenever God speaks, I do not have the luxury of an opinion. The consequences of my action or non-action are built into my choice to obey or disobey. Galatians 6:7, KJV declares, be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatever a man soweth, that shall he also reap,” Reverend Turnbull stated.

The man of God also explained that gambling may be practiced in many different ways and these include, but are not limited to the lottery, ponzi-schemes or pyramid schemes and pari-mutuel betting. He added that some forms appear to be quite innocent, and sometimes percentages of the profits are used for a good cause. “God’s Word, however, indicates that gambling in any form is contrary to the Will of God for a Believer.”

“First, gambling or betting puts faith in chance or luck rather than in the care and provision of God. Second, one who gambles seeks to profit from another’s loss. This practice borders on covetousness and stealing. Third, gambling promotes a greedy spirit. It emphasizes getting rather than giving, selfish interest rather than self-sacrifice, and erodes the moral fibre of society,” Reverend Turnbull indicated to Virgin Islands News Online.

See link for for full article by Rev. Turnbull http://www.virginislandsnewsonline.com/en/news/a-biblical-position-on-gambling

Meanwhile, Bishop John I. Cline of the New Life Baptist Church, when contacted by this news site, said he didn’t have a position on pari-mutuel wagering but felt that it was up to a person to let their conscience and spirituality be their guide when threading on the issue.

Pastor of the First Assembly of God church in Lower Estate, Mr Wayne R. Hoyte, referred us to a report on gambling which was adopted by the General Presbytery of the Assemblies of God on August 10, 1983 in order to get his church’s position on pari-mutuel wagering.

The report stated that God’s people in Bible times apparently were not greatly tempted with gambling but it seems the vice manifested itself only when Israel was dominated by heathen nations. When gambling did occur God clearly indicated His attitude concerning it. The sin for which some of the Israelites were condemned was trusting in luck rather than God.

According to the report, Isaiah made it clear that trust in God and trust in luck cannot coexist. If people rely on chance it is evident they do not rely on God. Isaiah described those who trusted in gambling as “they that forsake the Lord” (Isaiah 65:11).

It was also concluded that a careful reading of Scripture makes it clear there are numerous biblical principles which indicate gambling is an evil to be avoided and when people recognise God’s authority they will honour the principles which indicate gambling is evil.

The report outlined that gambling is wrong because it is a disregard of responsible stewardship; involves a chance of gain at the expense and suffering of others; is inconsistent with the work ethic of Scripture; and tends to be habit forming.

It further stated that when the various truths of God’s Word are considered, Christians cannot adopt a neutral stance toward gambling. There are responsibilities which they cannot ignore. When the Bible instructs believers, “whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God” (1 Corinthians 10:31), it certainly precludes gambling. God is not glorified when people put their trust in chance rather than in the Lord.

“When God’s Word teaches that we should “avoid every kind of evil” (1 Thessalonians 5:22) it precludes gambling. There is no way in which a practice can be considered anything other than evil when it violates principles of Gods Word concerning stewardship, consideration of others, and the dignity of honest labour. Those who want to live according to Scripture will refrain from participation in any form of gambling. As the salt of the earth (Matthew 5:13) they will also do all within their power to discourage the legalisation of gambling, whether to raise money for charity, church, or state,” the report strongly concluded.

Strong Support for pari-mutuel wagering in other sections of society

The news site also solicited the opinion from persons outside of the church, who expressed strong support for the betting system to be introduced in the Territory.

Talk show host Mr Edmund Maduro said pari-mutuel betting should be accepted because there was nothing wrong with it. “We selling lottery tickets here and the pari-mutuel is an international thing. It is a controlled thing. I don’t have anything against pari-mutuel wagering.”

According to Mr Maduro, pari-mutuel wagering is what “makes horse racing horse racing” and noted that it costs a lot of money to maintain a horse.

He also lashed out at the church for being hypocritical on the issue.

"The church is saying it is not good to make money? You never see them play bingo in the church yet? I have seen the church play bingo so what they talking about? The pari-mutuel [wagering] is quite ok because it is a very organised situation. With a small amount of money in you could win a fairly good size. It is not something where you would spend your whole week’s pay on and have nothing to carry home to your children,” Mr Maduro argued.

He concluded by stating “if we are to continue horse racing we have to have pari-mutuel wagering”.

The topic of Pari-Mutuel wagering gained some momentum when on a recent sports talk show, former Legislator, Government Minister and Cultural icon Mrs. Eileene L. Parsons called in and said “pari-mutuel has to come”.

Mrs. Parsons, a fan and supporter of VI horse racing- a sport popular amongst indigenous residents, is an advocate for pari-mutuel betting.

Mrs. Parsons told the sports talk show in her usually passionate voice, “We need to pass the legislation as it’s there already and if the topic of pari-mutuel is the issue then take it out.”

She said legislation could be passed that cover other portions of managing the racetrack such as the Horse Racing Commission while taking out the pari-mutuel item, but the bill needs to be passed.

Mrs. Parsons was frank in saying last week that “it's no sense closing our eyes and burying our heads in the sand over this issue….lots of money change hands currently on the racetrack.” She was at the time referring to man to man betting.

Mrs. Parsons, who was also instrumental when she was a Minister of Government in the upgrade of the new racetrack, asked “What are we trying to protect? Are we so holy?”

Current President of the Virgin Islands’ Horse Owner’s Association, Lesmore Smith, and owner of the L & B Stables and a former Horse Owner’s President herself, Violet ‘Letty’ Hodge, have also called on Government to introduce pari-mutuel wagering to the racetrack.

Mr Smith, had told this news agency in a previous interview that his association would be seeking to get support for pari-mutuel wagering and simulcasting to be legalised at horse races in the VI.

“It is one of the things that we are now going forward on the trail with. I think that we are going to need people like yourself, the media, to help us to facilitate the dos and the don’ts, the will and wouldn’t, the profits that it can bring to us as a community and also the revenues that it can put into the Government structure. Those revenues can be used for health or social services and all those areas that we are so lacking on especially the insurance because many people can’t afford it and if we can have a better health care system where the load is not on the Government itself but the country is being able to generate other revenues to assist and we can take revenues from that area and put into another to help the less fortunate ones I think that would help. So we look forward for the pari-mutuel/simulcasting. It’s one of the things we are presently discussing and its up in the air for a whole lot of discussion.”

Third District Representative Hon. Julian Fraser RA, had stated in June that he found it ironic that some critics of pari-mutuel betting are seen around Scotia Bank buying lottery tickets, and argued that the betting system can propel horseracing to new heights.

Hon. Fraser, a stalwart fan of the sport, made this statement on June 2, 2012 at Ellis Thomas Downs Racetrack as he pinpointed certain areas that could be developed in the future for horseracing.

“We need pari-mutuel betting...the same people who are telling you that they are a Christian community and they are not indulging in betting are the same people you are going to find around Scotia Bank buying tickets, or they would go off to Antigua or wherever it is to bet. So what’s wrong with it being here?” he asked.

However, the District Representative is aware of the resistance advocates will face, and admitted that “it is going to take a lot of guts”.

“We are going to need people with courage to move it forward but most importantly we need the Government because it is going to require legislation. I am here to support this Horse Owners’ Association to move these initiatives forward and I am sure you the people who support horseracing would agree that it enhances the sport. It would make it much more attractive for those who come to us to be a part of this sport,” he added.

Government's position

Minister responsibility for the racetrack, Myron V. Walwyn had said on a recent radio talk show that  "We have discussed it as a group that we need to improve the track in terms of the way it is being operated. So certainly there is a controversial part that you are well aware of and we will have to be guided by the public in terms of how that is dealt with because we are a very religious society."

What is Pari-Mutuel Wagering?

Pari-Mutuel betting according to research came from the French Pari Mutuel or mutual betting.  It is a betting system in which all bets of a particular type are placed together in a pool and payoff odds are calculated by sharing the pool among all winning bets. In some countries it is known as the Tote after the totalisator which calculates and displays bets already made.

The Pari-Mutuel wagering system is used in legal gambling on horse racing, greyhound racing, jai alai, and all sporting events of relatively short duration in which participants finish in a ranked order. A modified pari-mutuel system is also used in some lottery games.

Pari-Mutuel wagering is state-regulated, and offered in many places where gambling is otherwise illegal. Pari-Mutuel gambling is often also offered at "off track" facilities, where players may bet on the events without actually being present to observe them in person. 

Many countries around the world and certain States in the United States of America received huge financial benefits from this and in many States in the United States and Europe the profits are use to maintain horse racing facilities and pay purses and help offset many national budgets.

Pari-Mutuel wagering on horse races exist in countries such as, Great Britain, USA, Barbados, Sweden, Japan, the Middle East, Canada, Trinidad and Tobago, Australia, New Zealand, Puerto Rico, many European Union Countries, Africa, Hong Kong, South Korea, Jamaica, and Malaysia to name a few.

 

58 Responses to “UPDATE: What makes the VI different? Fan on absence of Pari-mutuel Wagering”

  • south sea (26/10/2012, 07:49) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    deeds so call pastors..please!
    • vex (28/10/2012, 18:08) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      u no how much dem devil pastors here was in zeek,and coming under the tree to buy tickets, looking wife and for sure dem hand nasty nasty,. Set of wolf in sheep clothing, but the same god what dem pretending to so love will deal with dem. Dem same pasrors goin b the first to bet under one their child name set of crooks
      • BE SMART (27/12/2012, 08:31) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        Pastors are also humans. We're not perfect, however, we're suppose to follow our great example Jesus Christ. Every soul has to give an account before God. Once you follow God's word because no pastor made up that rule.
    • Mick Mars (27/12/2012, 19:41) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
      Seriously. Do you have a learning disability? Or do you refuse to learn from your CONSTANT mistake and continue to use this word in place of what you should be saying? The word you want is "THESE". THESE!! Please don't let me ever find out who you is....I'd Mark the word 'THESE' over every inch of wall in your house....cuz you willfull now man.
  • Your choice (26/10/2012, 08:00) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    You got Renowned Pastor Melvin Turnbull against: Dispised Edmund Maduro for pari-mutual betting. Who are you putting your money on.
    • cat walk (26/10/2012, 11:06) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Myron better scatter about BVI is a Christian Community? What he knows about the BVI? What is so 'unchristian' about para-mutuel betting?
    • Hmm (29/12/2012, 10:22) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      If Religion & State is so against pari-mutual betting at the horse races,I think it is High Time that ALL FORMS of betting is Stopped Immediately.The selling of lottery tickets;both PR & VI and also those that are being sold by agents from Santo Domingo.You mean to tell me that I cannot place a friendly bet at the Downs ,but it is ok to purchase a Lotto ticket from in front of the bank,or go by the Spanish bar above People's Shoe Store and buy Santo Domingo Lotto.Man i can even go to Anegada and buy Lotto from Santo there, I heard.I true fairness, what is the Law For One should be Law For All.
  • Lucifer (26/10/2012, 08:31) Like (2) Dislike (1) Reply
    Ok so its ok to take the gamble and give a portion of your earnings just in case you get to go to heaven - or should i say, just in case such place even exists!

    Surely Christianity is just one big pyramid scheme!
    • cut it (26/10/2012, 14:40) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      You are right I had to laugh with some of these Pastors position. The war on gambling is a big farce!!!
    • yawn (27/10/2012, 07:57) Like (0) Dislike (2) Reply
      tithing. Ain't that betting?
      • @ yawn (30/12/2012, 16:41) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        you are one desperate, pathetic and stupid clown---do you still live in your parent's basement ------

  • Well Sah (26/10/2012, 09:08) Like (0) Dislike (1) Reply
    These Pastors only wish is for that money that would be played in the pari-mutuel would have been going in their pockets instead of the race track. That's why they don't support it. Hypocrites teaching our people crap.
  • Johny (26/10/2012, 09:13) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Most of these churches in the BVI have no credibility so them better hush!
    • wrong (26/10/2012, 19:02) Like (0) Dislike (1) Reply
      MY JESUS IS NOT DEAD but you readers get off track so easily. The topic is not about GODS and RELIGIONS. Get back to the point...parimatuel betting and the bible says it wrong!
      • Nonsense (26/10/2012, 20:56) Like (2) Dislike (1) Reply

        Tell me which verse says paramutuel betting is wrong. When you spend $40k going to college to get a degree, that's gambling because the hope is (winning) is that you get a good job to help you live comfortable and pay back for that Education, but the reality is, you may just end up working a normal job and become poorer because you cannot afford to live while paying back for the education. That's gambling. So, Christian parents should be allowed to bet on their kids doing good and being able to be successful in life and taking care of them? Everyday we wake up, get in our vehicles and head on our merry way is a gamble. Cut the $%&#@ please!

      • @ wrong (28/10/2012, 22:16) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        There you go!.....Another "conspiracy theorist"!!...Can you prove your insane allegations?.......PLEASE!
  • Nonsense (26/10/2012, 09:16) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
    Who cares what they think? They don't attend anyway!!! These churches make big money off Bingo, Raffles and they even have stalls selling food at Music Fest, another thing they're firmly against! Unless they can get some of the money they will be against it. Let an announcement be made that part proceeds will go towards the Christian Council, then they will say God spoke to them and told them it's alright. If we hold a country hostage based on these loony tunes we are in trouble. They are afraid to speak to their own folks but want to dictate what we do and don't do? Foolishness man, tell them go take a hike. I respect church but these people are out of place. Nobody can tell them what to do, so why do they want to spread their tentacles out here?
  • john public (26/10/2012, 09:19) Like (0) Dislike (1) Reply
    lets elect a government who have the guts to do it...not these jokers who in there
  • Domino (26/10/2012, 09:56) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    So what if the church is against it. So what if the pastors don't believe in Doesn't the church & the government receive profits from my economic loss too?

    IF we have horse racing it must be to standard that means pari-mutual. The ones who don't like it simply won't participate.
  • johnny (26/10/2012, 10:23) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    I am going to bet that our world class cricket stadium will be built long before betting is legalised. It will take the real sport of cricket to get the government to legalise betting.
  • Man Down (26/10/2012, 10:35) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
    This is the same man that used his Church's parking lot in Cane Garden Bay as PAID parking for the sinful Music Fest. These people have no shame? They charged $10.00 per vehicle to park in the church yard to walk across the beach and WUKUP to the Devil music according to them. The hypocrisy is sickening now. Only when they benefit it's good.
    • two faced (28/10/2012, 00:10) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Good point MAN DOWN! Let it backfire on he...That should shut him up for a while.
  • rex feral (26/10/2012, 11:10) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
    There are more pressing issues going on in this country that needs some attention from the Govt and the churches.
    !. Prostitution.
    2. Unsolved Murders. We have over 25 of those.
    3. The mandatory retirement age (60) but cant collect Social Security until 65. Hmmm.
    4. Internal cannibalisation by Virgin islanders.
    5. Loitering by minors after 10 at night.
    6. Uncontrolled (IN) migration.
    &. Beastly domestic violence (not reported)
    Got seven more but just tippin the iceberg for now. Life is real.


    • @ rex feral (26/10/2012, 12:08) Like (0) Dislike (3) Reply
      Blah blah blah blah..NEXT
    • super pack (26/10/2012, 14:59) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      It doesn't seem that these churches learn from the past. When them in church along with others begging us for $$$$$ what do you call that?
  • CNN (26/10/2012, 11:12) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    betting is the only thing to save bvi horse racing..so let's getting on!
  • Ohia (26/10/2012, 11:58) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Let the gambling begin deman
  • Observer (26/10/2012, 12:06) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Hold a NATIONAL REFERENDUM on the matter and let the people decide on pari-mutuel betting. You may also want to include gaming on the Cruiseships while in harbour, so that they can remain in the VI overnight.
  • Really! (26/10/2012, 12:06) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
    I refrain to comment on the churches and what they do. I am just going to shake my head because when Judgement day comes there will be alot of surprises.

    Showing a good face in Public is not going to wipe out the dirtyness that goes on in Private!
  • Cross Eyed (26/10/2012, 12:09) Like (3) Dislike (0) Reply
    Just ridiculous the HYPOCRISY of the so-called Christian society. Come on, the churches dollars are tax free; they import stuff duty free. Raffles; food sales and the like is a form of betting.

    When so-called Christians can be holy all seven days instead of holy one day and wicked the next 6 days to their fellow human then I will pay attention. Until then, they are blowing hot air for convenience and attention.
  • Guest (26/10/2012, 12:39) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    I wonder if they are against adultery, strip clubs, prostitutes, illtreatment of poor workers, stealing, forging also...I wonder....
  • farmer brown (26/10/2012, 12:41) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    yes deeds pastors are taking; marlarky
  • fat head (26/10/2012, 14:17) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    well sah horse racing looks like its gonna die ah natural death with these so called "christians" and the ndp
  • Daddy Firday (26/10/2012, 15:18) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    the church reaction sounds like a case of the "pot calling the kettle black".
  • SEA WEED (26/10/2012, 15:23) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    PLEASE... HURRY... BRING IT ON WE NEED PARIMUTUEL!
  • dog meat (26/10/2012, 15:33) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    religious freedom....political progression and personal, cultural and national emancipation.

    so the church need to respect us!!!
  • rush it (26/10/2012, 18:45) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Everyone with a grain of sense knows the NDP will not touch this because everything for them is the next election not the next generation...they cannot say their hands have been tied because they have support from three opposition members, Fahie, Alvin and Fraser!!!!
  • LEGALIZE IT (26/10/2012, 19:09) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    u need to b thinking of legalizing marijuana before anything else ,,,this herb was created by the the most high god for man.

    who gave man the rite to make this plant illegal
    u all accept homosexuality and make it legal,,,,,more fire,,,,
  • hahahaha (26/10/2012, 19:17) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    churces u have lost yur way that straight and narrow path and u kno this u don't leave nuttn behind in the world u are involved in everything a ship without a rudder so please stop playing like u care about gaming in the bvi probably if they told u there is something in it for u , u will agree..
    we all kno it is money ahya love and nuttn else fooln the people..
  • win win (26/10/2012, 20:06) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Put a Church on one end and the parimutuel booth on the other end. Everyone wins. Souls will be saved.
  • tell me why (26/10/2012, 20:16) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Look when these churches and youth organizations in them are selling raffle tickets I don't care what the cause is for its still gambling so if its legal for churches and other community organizations to sell tickets and play bingo to benefit them why are they now oppose to parimutuel????
  • eye (27/10/2012, 10:43) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Move along folks, nothing to see here with deeds churches
    • cast (28/10/2012, 22:42) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      for real in my opinion they have long lost credibility with the life and example they set.
  • trent (27/10/2012, 12:25) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Pastor Turnbull is correct. An environment that encourages a zero-sum result (somebody gains at the expense of another) is to be avoided. The only exception is where someone "loses" by giving a gift or donation, or by making a sacrifice.

    So those who criticize church bingo and raffles should understand that it is the intent (or the bigger cause) that matters. In this environment there would not be any resulting addiction on the part of both the winners and the losers. And losers would not feel bitter.
  • kkk (28/10/2012, 12:25) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Some of these churches may appear "self-righteous" and "sanctimonious", the public is more intelligent than that.
  • around (29/10/2012, 07:51) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Me just sick ah them self righteous pastors did not know they were still around boy
  • tt (29/10/2012, 08:17) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    the bvi should be a sovereign secular OT.
  • Pizza (29/10/2012, 17:15) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    When there is real respect for God by some of these pastors, then things will go in the right direction on this topic!!
  • Blak Caesar (27/12/2012, 10:01) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    There is no educated person in the Horse racing committee nobody with simple foresight and VISION!
  • Well Sah (27/12/2012, 10:13) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Just offer the good Pastors some of the pari-mutuel and you going to see how fast they get on board. Set of money suckers.
  • my 2 cents (27/12/2012, 11:17) Like (2) Dislike (0) Reply
    The bible does speak against betting/gambling, however it also talks about other stuff such as getting drunk etc. People smoke, drink, wuk up and does worse stuff but it is not illegal. Those who call themselves Christians don't participate in such cause they know that they are guided by the WORD. So legalize it why not? Those of us who knows what the word says concerning it will not participate, however if the ordinary man wants to continue in sin who are we to stop them. Don't they drink, visit the strip clubs and party? Shucks man its their choice.


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