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‘Stop the lie’ - vendor to TPP management

- following update on ban by TPP
January 13th, 2018 | Tags: TPP ban lie update Kareem-Nelson Hull
Businessman and tenant of Tortola Pier Park Limited (TPPL) Mr Kareem-Nelson Hull continues to publicly oppose the ban on minors from Tortola Pier Park. Photo: VINO/File
On December 15, 2017 by the management of Tortola Pier Park (TPP) controversially announced that children under the age of 17 years were no longer allowed in the Park without the supervision of an adult 21 years or older. Photo: VINO/File
On December 15, 2017 by the management of Tortola Pier Park (TPP) controversially announced that children under the age of 17 years were no longer allowed in the Park without the supervision of an adult 21 years or older. Photo: VINO/File
ROAD TOWN, Tortola, VI - Controversy erupted following the announcement on December 15, 2017 by the management of Tortola Pier Park (TPP) that children under the age of 17 years were no longer allowed in the Park without the supervision of an adult 21 years or older.

A letter to this effect was circulated to tenants of the Government owned facility and was obtained by this news site. It stated in part that TPP was faced with "disruptive minors at Tortola Pier Park (TPP). In this regard we have proposed a Parental Guidance Required programme (PRG) at TPP in an effort to improve safety and security at the facility. The PGR programme is routine within the mall/shopping centre environmentalists as a proactive measure to ensure safety and comfort of all patrons. At TPP this programme is aimed at providing a comfortable, family-friendly shopping experience for all guests which is in keeping with the Berthing Agreements."

It further said effective immediately (December 15), the PGR programme will require that, all patrons age 17 and under, must be accompanied by a parent or supervising adult who is at least 21 years old.

It also said that over the next few weeks the TPP management will embark on a public relations campaign to advise the community accordingly and will also place signage at the facility

Now in an about face, TPP told the public via their Facebook page, a totally different story.

The different story

TPP said, "As we venture into the new year, Tortola Pier Park continues to provide a beautiful and relaxing atmosphere, where residents and visitors of all ages can enjoy a unique shopping, dining and entertainment experience at the facility.

In efforts to ensure enjoyment for all guests, the Management of Tortola Pier Park Ltd implemented a Parental Guidance Required (PGR) programme, with the first phase (Phase 1) being rolled out to the public on December 22, 2017. This allows students to continue to patronise the Pier Park unsupervised, while being monitored by Security.

Phase 1 of the PGR programme will continue to be enforced in 2018. Disruptive behaviour at the facility is not permitted and will be swiftly acted upon with the immediate removal of offenders from Tortola Pier Park.

Since the implementation of this programme, improvement has been noted in students’ behaviour while at the Pier Park.  As such, we would like to thank the community, the Ministry of Communication and Works, the Ministry of Education and Culture, BVI Ports Authority, the Elmore Stoutt High School, the Royal Virgin Islands Police Force, and parents who have provided support and assistance in curtailing disruptive behaviours.

Tortola Pier Park Ltd reserves the right to take further action if increased incidents of disruptive behaviours, or destruction to the property are encountered."

Stop the lie!

When the TPP issued the initial instructions at least one tenant and businessman Mr Kareem-Nelson Hull challenged the TPP's decision and had cause to do so again following their most recent publication.

"I wish that the Tortola Pier Park would stop wasting your time and ours with these erroneous statements that literally mean nothing and don’t advance as well as does not retract from their faulty decision making and harmful practices."

Nelson said: "The Phase 1 mentioned here, said to be implemented on 22nd December was in effect immediately beginning on 15th December (according to your letter) and 20th December according to their radio commercial on ZBVI and it in fact DID NOT allow young people to shop and visit alone without adult supervision and under the watchful eye of the guards, it required that they be accompanied at all times but an adult of 21 years old. This is a lie! This is the salt that looks like sugar I’m talking about."

"This sorry excuse for a statement also states that improvements in behaviour has been noted? How? From whom? From the students that basically vanished BECAUSE school had closed for the semester? If the students aren’t present and aren’t there with their parents how can you measure the effectiveness of your messy-ass Parental Guidance Required Programme. And by the way,  it’s PROGRAMME, this is a British country, where you’re trying to implement this hostile, American, section 8 programme."

"What does the statement even mean? I can’t decipher if it’s that the lie stays in place that young shoppers can come alone and we pretend like that is what was stated on 22nd December or if they can NOW come alone contrary to what was enacted on 15th December.....?"

Several others have expressed similar sentiments of being confused by the recent statement of TPPL.

19 Responses to “‘Stop the lie’ - vendor to TPP management”

  • one eye (13/01/2018, 11:47) Like (6) Dislike (0) Reply
    the beat goes on with the NDP civil war, I staying far and VINO you should do the same..lol
  • This again (13/01/2018, 12:36) Like (19) Dislike (0) Reply
    I thought this was settled, students are still being allowed in the Pier Park. I'm tired of this story let's move on.
  • Move on (13/01/2018, 12:37) Like (14) Dislike (0) Reply
    Can we please move on to more important matters ?
  • .... (13/01/2018, 12:57) Like (24) Dislike (1) Reply
    Lawdy! Apparently, Kareem has a very poor grasp of syntax.
  • Please be Quiet! (13/01/2018, 13:47) Like (27) Dislike (5) Reply
    Kareem you are only making am issue because that area of your business is the gathering ground of the students. I have witnessed repeatedly as a patron of the adjacent business students being disruptive repeatedly. In all fairness yesterday, u saw a bunch of students in the same area well behaved. Like the memo got to them. Yes the measures out in place by TTPP was effective. Stop the noise Kareem you only behaving so because of you backers. Goodness man!
  • Observer (13/01/2018, 14:13) Like (23) Dislike (1) Reply
    Kareem needs to stop his politicking. Bvislanders are bvislanders worst enemy!!! Not ex Pat's!!!
  • wize up (13/01/2018, 14:16) Like (2) Dislike (1) Reply
    were is security
  • División Lovers (13/01/2018, 14:34) Like (4) Dislike (8) Reply
    This place is under the enfluence of the Devil. dividing. Therotypin. Humiliating people of difference in age and country of Birth. ..This is call the Dévil phylosophy
    • Hmm (14/01/2018, 06:50) Like (4) Dislike (1) Reply
      Did the devil convince you that school was a bad idea when you were a child?
  • ... no not him (13/01/2018, 14:52) Like (12) Dislike (2) Reply
    Not this guy, he like lime light
  • all agree (13/01/2018, 14:53) Like (17) Dislike (2) Reply
    Can we all agree that if that young man is involved, then the message gets distorted. VINO Please collect commentary from someone else.
  • wize up (13/01/2018, 17:50) Like (8) Dislike (0) Reply
    Have you really sit and conclude that our own people causes most of the issues
  • critical (13/01/2018, 18:28) Like (5) Dislike (0) Reply
    TPP bow to political pressure. I believe the park should have initially put a partial ban on minors in place. Like having it during school hours. It being lifted on weekends and holidays. Any progressive entity would have programs in place to prevent breached of the peace and safety of patrons traversing the park, but it's a government owned facility so the management would be under political pressure from the implementation of the ban. Politicians could never intervene in any privately owned facility.
  • wow (14/01/2018, 09:02) Like (7) Dislike (0) Reply
    This guy needs to grow up!!!!
  • i from here (14/01/2018, 09:12) Like (7) Dislike (0) Reply
    Ok hull you got your 2 mins on vino go sit down now!
  • Brane (14/01/2018, 12:08) Like (13) Dislike (0) Reply
    Young man now that you have a voice, you should talk about ways to help these young students to behave. Your parents raised you as a humble,loving person. I know you could. Not go out and behave in a disrespectful manner. Use some of that to help the youth rather than bashing authority. What you say now can come back to haunt you. Remember these youth will be the adults tomorrow. If we instill good morals we will all be happy in years to come. If we instill poor morals we will be sorry. Just sit back and think.
  • hawk (15/01/2018, 00:50) Like (5) Dislike (0) Reply
    "I wish that the Tortola Pier Park would stop wasting your time and ours with these erroneous statements that literally mean nothing and don’t advance as well as does not retract from their faulty decision making and harmful practices."

    This is probably one of the worst sentences I have read. I cannot decipher it even in the full context of the entire article. And this was written by a college educated person who was employed in the public relations field?

    I have to be hard on him because of his overall attitude which includes calling people liars, using capital letters and trying (ineffectively) to correct word origins. He comes across as an emotional nag in heat. He needs to behave like a rational thinking person if he expects to see positive changes in life.
  • secret (16/01/2018, 00:19) Like (0) Dislike (1) Reply
    You stop the noise this is one of our own and he will be shining More shortly hold on. You want thing to talk, talk that. The man have to talk he is not a coward that I can tell you. when people want to take a stand we just want to silence them its sickening. One don't have the right to their own opinions or freedom of speech any more?

    We can do better than that.
  • wish (16/01/2018, 01:00) Like (0) Dislike (1) Reply
    I just wish that the entire community can see it fit in our hearts the show some love for our young people instead of bashing them in every way and every day. All may not see or feel the love but we can try. Not every child is bad and we paint a very bad picture of our youths. I wish this could stop.

    I think we pressure them to much at times. Talking, taking them out in little groups, showing them that we care, going the extra mile see if they need help can be school work or to the extreme a book for school, food. So many ways we can try to help. take then to church and the list goes on and on. Pray for them which is key bind up, pulldown the strong holds From over their lives. Break the generational curses. Do something positive speak life over them they are the generation to take this country to the next level. I beg you to let's bow our heads bend our knees, clasp your hands or put them up in the air, hit the floor weep before the lord for our young people.

    If we can't get down on knees what ever position in our closets with God mension our young people. Change will come it may not come immediate but for sure he is an on time God. Keep hope alive


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