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Men 'liming' on corners a possible 'social challenge' - Skelton-Cline

- Says he doesn't know if he's in Jamaica, Santo Domingo or Tortola
Mostly on weekdays expat men could be seen grouped under trees and under buildings in Road Town. While it is our understanding the men are usually waiting for pickup from their employers or hoping to be employed for the day, it is unclear if all of them are properly documented. Photo: VINO/File
ZBVI 780am 'Honestly Speaking' radio host, Mr Claude O. Skelton-Cline is calling for more monitoring of population as it relates to the hight number of males liming under trees and at corners in various part of the territory, in villages and communities. Photo: VINO/File
ZBVI 780am 'Honestly Speaking' radio host, Mr Claude O. Skelton-Cline is calling for more monitoring of population as it relates to the hight number of males liming under trees and at corners in various part of the territory, in villages and communities. Photo: VINO/File
BAUGHERS BAY, Tortola, VI - ZBVI 780am 'Honestly Speaking' radio show moderator, Mr Claude O. Skelton-Cline is calling for more monitoring of population as it relates to the high number of males "liming" under trees and at corners in various parts of the territory.

Mr Skelton-Cline made the comments in his opening commentary on the Tuesday, October 8, 2019, edition of his Honestly Speaking show. 

'Social challenge'

"I am deeply concerned about what I see emerging as what would be a social challenge for us here in this country. There were several persons who came into this country on the heel of the Hurricanes in 2017, in part through construction companies and others for the recovery and rebuilding," he said in reference to the possible source of the high foreign male population now present in the territory.

"But as I continue to drive around our country especially in Road Town and even where I live in Cane Garden Bay, through some of the villages, one of the things that concern me, is the amount of men that I see populating all throughout the place on every corner on every nook, under some trees," he said.

Calling it a possible 'Social Challenge' he said, the activity of liming and sitting around is changing the culture of the territory akin to places like Jamaica and Santo Domingo, which is the capital city of the Dominican Republic.

"What I am concerned about especially on Fridays...[is] the amount of the male population just sitting around, standing around in their own enclaves throughout our town and throughout this territory," he told his listening audience.

Economic Impacts 

Mr Skelton-Cline said he is aware persons may think this is a sensitive issue; however, the people need to be "cognizant and vigilant" about monitoring what's taking place in the territory as it relates to population.

The man of the cloth also noted he was unsure about the employment status of the persons, "You see them throughout the day... but it is concerning to me the social challenge all these men who came in," he said in questioning whether they might be making a meaningful contribution to the territory.  

"I think its worthy of notice," he implored in questioning other aspects of the economy such as healthcare, economics, housing and possible emerging underground economies to support the population.

40 Responses to “Men 'liming' on corners a possible 'social challenge' - Skelton-Cline”

  • The Reaper (09/10/2019, 12:16) Like (22) Dislike (27) Reply
    So what !!! are u they parents ..Tell me now, U watch your Family and make sure they are not liming on the Corners. Ok Or U liming with them on the corners and ask them Why ? u all does be liming On The Block. Mr Skelton-Cline. In The Of Jesus Christ. Amen!!!! sick of hearing U Now !!!!
  • WHAT!!! (09/10/2019, 12:28) Like (34) Dislike (11) Reply
    Too many non Belongers without work hanging around , where is immigration and labor?
    • Strupes (09/10/2019, 23:16) Like (3) Dislike (10) Reply
      Those same non belongers are the one that helped this damn country if people would stop being so damn bias and give them jobs that they are qualified for we wouldn’t have this problem
      • Frog Man (10/10/2019, 06:22) Like (11) Dislike (0) Reply
        That's not the point here. They help they got paid.
      • @ Strupes (10/10/2019, 11:39) Like (0) Dislike (3) Reply
        They " helped" the country ?? When infact they helped themseives ,then tiurn around and drag dowh the VI by being vagabonds ,a social disgrace ,,eyesores and negative influences on the youths?
        They need to be deported which would go along way in helping the country.

  • Hmmm (09/10/2019, 12:39) Like (34) Dislike (10) Reply

    Your house finishing fixing so ya'll gone again with this sh** labeling people ..... Same men probably worked on your house.....
    Some of you so ungratefully i don't know how you call your self Man of God..... Its sad when people like you Preach the word on Sundays and the rest of the wicked the wickedness steps in.

  • black women (09/10/2019, 12:58) Like (16) Dislike (9) Reply
    He made some good points I also blame Kedrick
  • EGGZAKLY (09/10/2019, 13:00) Like (17) Dislike (0) Reply
    There is a thriving underground economy in BVI already. BVI more interested in keeping each other down than monitoring whats happening in the country.
  • NB (09/10/2019, 13:26) Like (14) Dislike (8) Reply

    Oh you have become such a disease Claude. How can you possibly call yourself a man of God. Get help

  • See (09/10/2019, 13:26) Like (19) Dislike (6) Reply
    these groups are nothing new . Not only in Roadtown but in bars and such all over the territory . Check East check Bellvue check Baughers Bay check Cane . There is more money in drugs then working for a living . Most of these people are not construction holdovers . Be honest .... even if it hurts
  • Wow (09/10/2019, 13:29) Like (12) Dislike (3) Reply
    You are so late mr Cline I have be seeing and saying this a long time but it look like everyone is waiting for the crime to start to start some action. It’s very terrible especially by virgin queen in the mornings and I’m seeing more people getting more permits and a lot of men not working it’s about time the flood gate that the government open start a little closing up.
  • Correct (09/10/2019, 13:46) Like (21) Dislike (0) Reply
    I am not usually a Claude fan but while it's a sensitive matter we cannot run away from it. I myself noticed that the volume of persons just hanging around during working hours has increased greatly over the past 6 weeks. The relevant authorities need to take a deeper look to find out what is going on. Persons that are not working and therefore not earning will end up as wards of the state which is something that we cannot afford in the BVI. Turning a blind eye to it because talking about it may 'sound bad' will just make matters worst. Persons who are legally here without work should be given a time period within which to find gainful employment and failing to do so they would need to return to their homeland. If there are locals without jobs, efforts should be made for employment based on their qualifications, provided that they do want to work.
  • sense (09/10/2019, 14:07) Like (2) Dislike (2) Reply
    @EEGZAKLY...You are so correct!!!!
  • Bull Dawg (09/10/2019, 14:27) Like (13) Dislike (0) Reply
    Some of them are legal and some are not.
    They need to be checked out before it is too late.
    We cannot afford to become over populated.
    This little country is too small for that.
    Most of them had a leniency to stay and work for a period of time, then go back after their jobs have been finished.
    Some of them choose to over stay and hustle under the table.
  • Divisor (09/10/2019, 14:27) Like (19) Dislike (6) Reply
    More than half of them liming are the BVI young men who don't want to do the work where hot sun is a condition or they have the jobs whereby they can't pay SS, NHI and PAYE because the job listing isn't legal. Stop trying to create the constant division that you seem so intent on doing all the time.
  • Hmm (09/10/2019, 14:57) Like (13) Dislike (10) Reply
    So if they men are liming under a tree on fridays evenings is that a crime now. There is no television to go home to unless u hooked up with flow deal to have a landline too. Friends just chilling i dont see any wrong in this. Even locals are doing it in the evenings.
    • learn to read (09/10/2019, 15:41) Like (27) Dislike (1) Reply
      Stop trying to undermine what he said. You can go into town any day of the week, especially by Scatos and Flow and there are men lined up all around the corner. Road Town is the first destination for many of our tourist and it is such s disgusting site to see all kind of broken down chairs, trash left on the side of the road because these men are sitting around talking belligerently all day sometimes even playing loud music disturbing the offices in the vicinity. I wish people would call a spade a spade. Go hang out in your own backyards or at a bar, not in the middle of town on the street.
  • A man (09/10/2019, 15:42) Like (3) Dislike (3) Reply
    Dude, you're in Tortola. I don't know how you can be confused over that.
  • Why ? (09/10/2019, 16:36) Like (1) Dislike (5) Reply
    Why is it some of us just choose to jump all over those who are too weak to fight too afraid to stand up to us
    Is it because we are so afraid to fight those who will kick our axxes the way it needs to ,so instead of getting the sxxt kicked out of us we find the weak ones as a decoy but then we want to feel like somebody we mingle amongst them so they can look up to us like we need to be looked up to because the people who are in our circle don’t think much about us ,
    Go challenge those with the millions and the billions go talk to them about the hand that they got up all of our axxxs and then I can see where you are coming from until then please be very quiet.
  • never was can. (09/10/2019, 16:40) Like (16) Dislike (0) Reply
    i was never a fan of mr clone Skelton.

    this is an on going issue plaguing us for years. not now due to irma. and from my understanding most of these people who came in on temp work permit. as we can all see now the follow of work has dramatically slowed down. send them back if they can not find work
  • hurricane (09/10/2019, 18:39) Like (6) Dislike (1) Reply

    lets be real here we here worrying about the man them liming in Road town lets talk about the man who took our tax dollars and all now he cant go the jail that wa the bvi really need to talk about why this man ain't in jail as yet ?????

  • LilyAnn (09/10/2019, 19:20) Like (6) Dislike (6) Reply
    We have come accustom to sitting on the couch typing an Article on Social Media like Claude, that we forget how to Socialize in real life ... go and Control your Son Claude !!! And stop trying to control big men !!!
  • Oh My (09/10/2019, 19:20) Like (14) Dislike (0) Reply
    I remembered the Premier (he was the leader of the opposition then) asking this question is the house, after the hurricane construction work is completed what will be done with those persons on part time work permits, will they have to leave the country. the job is now yours Mr. Premier. I am now asking you the same question that you asked previously. The place is overflowing now for the past 2 years. Something needs to be done.
    • hello (09/10/2019, 22:21) Like (5) Dislike (0) Reply
      That’s right, glad you recalled he asked the question. Mr premier it is time to commence the deportation process as massive as it might be. Clean this place up please.
  • 2 grand (09/10/2019, 22:41) Like (3) Dislike (1) Reply
    liming is a past time all over the Caribbean its nothing new. this is the problem no checks and balances. what is the agreement with workers coming in after the hurricanes was there an understanding after a period of time when work slowed down workers would be required to leave because working permits suppose to be temporary. but no greed set in local con tractors and the likes see opportunities to use exploit and hold on to the external workforce. where is labour and immigration. GREED WILL BE THE DEATH OF THIS COUNTRY. like or dislike I doh business. and yes ah yah so me come from.
    • Lizzie (10/10/2019, 12:23) Like (1) Dislike (1) Reply
      " limimg" is an imported concept to the VI It is a word I never knew . It is an uncharacteristic flaw along with other faws left unchecked which has permeated the culture of these Islands. It is atypical of the VI but very much a part of islands such as those mentioned in the article and synonomous with crime,,poverty,illiteracy and failed economies.
      It is up to the immigation and the police dept along with a concerned Government anf the peopke to arrest and curtail this destructive imported culture.
  • Hog Tail (10/10/2019, 05:03) Like (7) Dislike (1) Reply
    Clean this place up before its to late
  • Local (10/10/2019, 10:19) Like (5) Dislike (1) Reply
    it hurt me as a young local to read the news comments most time the persons commenting always takes thing another level. come on man don't encouraged wrong.
    The liming and lingering need to stop yes. especially in area close to road side and business places.
    Government need to look into this some these guys be looking hungry and desperate.
    Yes the BVI youngsters them bin doing this but it gets real over bearing.
    and since irmaria and the government give out permit like they angry want the place rebuild. now construction site slow down and now is both youth, young men and old man lingering on the road side because hardly work for them to do.

    Lets keep the BVI DRAMA Free, Violence Free, get the place to be the paradise it used to be.
  • Concern Citizen (10/10/2019, 10:35) Like (3) Dislike (0) Reply
    it is a good topic Mr. cline raises however most of these young boys are from right here.. I think something needs to be done for these young people.. the drugs is just too much here
    • Si (10/10/2019, 13:23) Like (2) Dislike (1) Reply
      "Boys right here" where one or both parents originated from the upper Caribbean ialnds. It is a cultural practice ,accepted and and passed on.
  • Misson (10/10/2019, 11:36) Like (1) Dislike (2) Reply

    If its one thing men like its woman, another thing men like is shooting the breeze with each other.

    Face the facts Jamaica, Santo Domingo or Tortola. The men are doing the same thing.

    Men will be men, in school every man had a play ground.

    You might see ten man standing around and make up a situation when in reality nine out of ten have nothing for sale.
    • broom (10/10/2019, 12:31) Like (2) Dislike (0) Reply
      Their playground should be in their yard or living room. Loitering and being a nuisance is a crime in the real world. Destroying the quality of life for those who have a life is selfish and destructive.
    • Queen Mary (10/10/2019, 13:19) Like (0) Dislike (1) Reply
      This is a social construct carried over from slavery days. Slaves,when permitted, could gather in a public space,a cool tree usually, for social activities under the watchful eyes, ears ears and whips of their captors owners. To do otherwise would be at the peril of death or severe punishment.
      Note the demograhic in the VI of those who are prone to the practicing of this social habit. Stateside, Southern Blacks,
      Caribbean Latinas and specific origins of "West Indians"
      do likewise in their neighborhoods.
      We continue the struggle to break the chains, unfortunately.
  • The Reaper (10/10/2019, 13:17) Like (0) Dislike (1) Reply
    Cluade Skelton-Cline. Before u go and talk to the. young people about what’s going on in there life in there community ,,but no ,because u are The voice station ......Jumping Jumping Jumping
    Around from one party to the next ..y u don’t care about people U. U destroy human life. U will not get back in politics never. Your hands butter on both side. Father forgive me of my sins ,am not perfect m..Humble to U My Heavenly Father ,Guide and perfect us All One Nation
  • voice (10/10/2019, 14:56) Like (9) Dislike (1) Reply
    Mr Skelton-Cline , where have you been? Men liming under trees have always been a common site in the BVI. Anyone remember the Afro Tree? In Road Town opposite Rite way? and many other places? In fact many embroic stages of many businesses and even Political parties occurred by men liming under trees. I agree that some of these persons maybe unemployed, not from here and so on but there are dozens of our youths (born here) who sits and lime on the block whole day and nite and I can safely say conducting illegal transactions and we accept it as being norm. It is true the number of men liming under trees has increased after the storms and if there are illegal persons within our territory, the authorities should immediately take steps to correct the situation. Having said all of that Sir! Why did you mentioned the other countries? By doing so you exposed your true intent. As a so call man of the cloth, have you ever stopped to talk to these men .....even just to preach salvation to them. Isn't that what you said years ago you were called to do?. By the way some of the men you see on Fridays are just men taking time out to socialize and have a drink with their friends after a hard week in the construction field.......some thing you would nt know about.
  • Culture (11/10/2019, 07:28) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    You all need to realise this is our culture...
    Just like the young men in every village have a "tree" so does the older heads....check out.
  • moses (11/10/2019, 13:05) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
    your the biggest social challenge BVI has.
  • Oh lawd (13/10/2019, 06:54) Like (1) Dislike (1) Reply
    Classic BVI ppl! MIND AYO DAMN BUSINESS! The ppl them probably finish work and just socializing in this boring place! Ayo so bored ayo need to judge wa ayo don't know! SMDH!

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