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Jenifer C. O’Neal- another local out! Expat consultant in!

- Anguillan consultant gets a $95G a year contract while locals search for work in homeland!
Virgin Islander Ms Jenifer C. O'Neal's contract was not renewed with the Government of the Virgin Islands as she is now unemployed. Although very qualified she did not obtain the green light to continue her employment from Financial Secretary Neil M. Smith. Instead an expat consultant was hired by the Ministry of Finance. That consultant is being paid $95, 000.00 for a 1-year job that Ms O'Neal could have performed. Photo: Facebook
Since the 2011 General Elections that saw the National Democratic Party Government coming to power, many public officers have been fired, transferred, sent on leave, had contract renewal blocked or forced to retire while they alleged the Governor did nothing with the perceived victimisation. Many believe Governor William B. McCleary has become useless to the concerns of the civil servants as he himself is a controversial figure. He has been blasted by many for his alleged violation of the Virgin Islands Constitution, not practicing good governance or upholding the rule of law. Photo: VINO/File
Since the 2011 General Elections that saw the National Democratic Party Government coming to power, many public officers have been fired, transferred, sent on leave, had contract renewal blocked or forced to retire while they alleged the Governor did nothing with the perceived victimisation. Many believe Governor William B. McCleary has become useless to the concerns of the civil servants as he himself is a controversial figure. He has been blasted by many for his alleged violation of the Virgin Islands Constitution, not practicing good governance or upholding the rule of law. Photo: VINO/File
ROAD TOWN, Tortola, VI- While some politicians of the ruling National Democratic Party (NDP) Government claim in their rhetoric that they support the hiring of qualified locals, the number of Virgin Islanders being displaced in the country in regards to employment grows.

This time it is Virgin Gordian Ms Jenifer C. O'Neal who was employed by the Ministry of Finance as a Policy Analyst II officer. Ms O’Neal had 2 two-year contracts with the Government of the Virgin Islands, but her last contract was not renewed, as a satisfactory employment package was not offered to her to continue as a public officer, according to information obtained by this news site.

It is this news site’s understanding that negotiations broke down with the Financial Secretary Mr Neil M. Smith who, according to an NDP source, had the final say to keep or not to keep the officer “so you can’t blame us for this one.”

The same source claimed that the issue that ended Ms O’Neal’s career in the civil service was allegedly over giving the officer a raise, along with other allowances. Her tenure ended on December 31, 2012 and she remains unemployed in her own country.

Ms O’Neal is very qualified, has years of experience, and holds a Bachelor’s Degree in Finance and a MBA with concentration in Finance and Accounting from the University of Baltimore, Maryland. 

When this news site reached Financial Secretary, Neil M. Smith about this situation he told the news room he had no comments. The Human Resources Department did not return calls on the matter.

Ms O'Neal could not be reached for comments.

Expat given Consultancy with Ministry of Finance, a job that O’Neal can do!

Meanwhile, as a young qualified Virgin Islander is unemployed, an Anguillan national has been given a 1-year contract through the same Ministry of Finance for a job that Ms O’Neal could have taken on.

Mr Smith has, however, confirmed the consultancy contract but declined to go into details.

According to information obtained elsewhere by this news site, the consultancy contract of Kalleesha Mendie started November 2012 last year and is for one year at ninety five thousand dollars ($95,000). Besides the generous allowances, it includes a government vehicle.

Ms Mendie is expected to help modernize the Treasury Department, along with implementing the new government accounting system, among other contract items.

Following the 2011 General Elections that resulted in the NDP coming to power, the Accountant General Mrs. Kharid Fraser was removed from her post without reason, a move many labeled as political victimisation.

Ms Anna Rabsatt has been named Acting Accountant General. It is unclear when or if Mrs Fraser, the wife of the popular Third District Representative and Opposition Member Honnourable Julian Fraser RA, will return to her substantive post at the Treasury. 

Locals displaced since 2011 elections; Governor is AWOL!

There remains a long laundry list of indigenous Virgin islanders who were either fired, contract not renewed, transferred, promotions blocked, reassigned, or were asked to take their vacation (government policy is take it or lose it, but it applies to some) or forced to retire.

Many have agreed that the majority of the situation had the express directive of Ministers of Government although they often claimed to have nothing to do with the public sector, which is certainly not the case.

The big question many civil servants continue to ask is; where is the United Kingdom appointed Governor William B. McCleary who is the head of the civil service?

Many believe Governor McCleary has become useless to the cause of the civil servants as he himself is a controversial figure. He has been blasted by many for his alleged violation of the Virgin Islands Constitution, not practicing good governance or upholding the rule of law.

The UK appointed governor has been distracted with public officers taking him to court for alleged violation of their rights, unfair dismissals and siding with Ag. Commissioner of Police David Morris on many new contentious practices as it relates to the Royal Virgin Islands Police Force. 

80 Responses to “Jenifer C. O’Neal- another local out! Expat consultant in!”

  • virgin gorda (19/03/2013, 08:56) Like (24) Dislike (1) Reply
    Oh gosh by time they finish they would have eliminated all the O’Neals from the government…is this O’Neal last name ethnic cleansing?
    • Blah Blah Blah (19/03/2013, 10:18) Like (3) Dislike (153) Reply
      Uncle ralph to go next!!!!
      • Hollowee (19/03/2013, 11:11) Like (10) Dislike (1) Reply
        This is a foolish statement
        • george w. touch (19/03/2013, 17:00) Like (7) Dislike (3) Reply
          Sad to see so much hatred for locals, but such hatred always comes back to you many times over. Judging by how those in power are behavior towards one group of people in the BVI I certainly hope it does.
  • over drive (19/03/2013, 09:00) Like (18) Dislike (1) Reply
    As time unravels we will see what maketh the man Neil Smith.
  • one eye (19/03/2013, 09:05) Like (14) Dislike (0) Reply
    Mr. Governor your job is first and foremost to DEFEND the constitution of the BVI
    • @ one eye (19/03/2013, 09:43) Like (9) Dislike (0) Reply
      with both the letter and spirit of the Constitution of the Virgin Islands (UK)
      • black boy (19/03/2013, 10:46) Like (13) Dislike (0) Reply
        I dont expect the Governor to move mountains.
        What I expect is for the Governor to stay within the constitution and remind others about the constitution when they stray from it.
  • Village Girl (19/03/2013, 09:09) Like (23) Dislike (11) Reply
    there are many qualifying factors that constitute every job..not just being local is not enough
  • long look me come from (19/03/2013, 09:13) Like (8) Dislike (4) Reply
    the dumping of so many locals seems like a subversive activity which is aimed at destabilising our beloved country!!!!
  • Viper 1 (19/03/2013, 09:26) Like (10) Dislike (0) Reply
    Somebody is gtoing to get hurt along the way. Chin up Jen.
    • mark my words (19/03/2013, 10:42) Like (16) Dislike (3) Reply
      look how they treat this sister of the soil...shameful
      • maskman (19/03/2013, 11:14) Like (16) Dislike (3) Reply
        We all cussing now but will forget this by next week
        • DingDong (19/03/2013, 11:53) Like (10) Dislike (2) Reply
          Yes, our memories are short! I done hear the NDP plan to do all their damage now so that when the final year before election comes around, we will done forget. It only takes a plate of food and the kissing of our babies and we will forget the nonsence. The beat continues.......................
  • Crank Shaft (19/03/2013, 09:28) Like (23) Dislike (1) Reply

    The practice of firing or replacing indigenous virgin islanders with out reason or explanation, has been very common in both VIP and NDP governing parties. The VIP was shameless in their victimization of individuals, but the NDP appear to be taking the reins from the VIP. Guys listen up. BVI is too damn small to absorb all the corruption that is taking place here. It makes us to look like a Gestapo Mafioso community. Brutal and heavy handedness is not the way to go. It is not attractive, it is not good governance. For God sake you guys stop it, and stop it now, before you bring about the demise of these beautiful islands. The F...S is one sided, bias and not approachable. It is his way or the highway. He is just like his damn father. They can only see things from one side.. Their Side. Why the HELL they have people like these in high sensitive positions, where you have to be be objective, and capable of showing empathy, is beyond all rationale of common sense. So, you want to tell me that letting go Ms. O'Neal was solely the decision of this idiot? HR and the Minister of Finance had no part in the decision? Give me a break. Good Governance is gone to the dogs.

  • Cool Ruler (19/03/2013, 09:39) Like (11) Dislike (0) Reply
    To Village girl what you dont try and hold these postions in the other Caribbean Countries. I bet they would find u some where in a shallow grave. I know one time I was listening to the BBC news and they were talking to the about jobs across the Caribbean and they we looking at the the Country Barbados and the one government offical said that the jobs in Barbados are for the Bajons but we here got this thing for a joke
    • peace (21/03/2013, 16:08) Like (1) Dislike (3) Reply
      It's amazing how people can comment on something they have no facts about. I am sure none of you were there, none of you know the real reason/s she was laid off. Who knows what she did or didn't do. But the ignorance of the locals is that they should always have the job/s at any cost! Well wake up! the world doesn't work that way. And from the bad english some of you are using on this website, are you at all surprised you're not being hired? Do you think any well established company would appreciate you speaking to their clients in such bad english...NO! Your comments and your horrible english shows an overwhelming lack of intelligence.
  • no way (19/03/2013, 09:43) Like (11) Dislike (3) Reply
    Wait, NDP remove this lady, and replace her with an anguillian? WTF! as bad as it is to push her out, another local could not be found?
    • Expat (19/03/2013, 11:26) Like (19) Dislike (4) Reply
      She shouldn't b out in the first place...she seems very qualified for the post so what was the problem Mr Smith?????
      • wap (19/03/2013, 14:21) Like (2) Dislike (62) Reply
        well put her back in the, so what if a local get side lined, is it the end of the world, are locals made of gold and diamond, pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee, this happen all over the world, these dam locals feel they should be in a glass case, everything is changing so you all better start to deal with it, get all you education and get qualified for the jobs and stop ranting and raving when a qualify person gets it, i dont give a horse @$$ where they from, indiginous, local vislander my backside, get allyou act together or else.
        • @wap (19/03/2013, 15:41) Like (8) Dislike (1) Reply
          How ignorant! You can't read? The woman had MBA! What more qualifications could she possibly need for this post? Better still, what qualification does this Anguillan hold?
          • lodger (19/03/2013, 20:13) Like (4) Dislike (2) Reply
            Its not just qualifications and being a BVIslander. The first thing employers tell graduates when they arrive with their degree is that THEY KNOW NOTHING and are starting at the bottom of the pile. Besides the degree one needs capability, drive, punctuality etc etc. This lady had two contracts, ie fixed term jobs, she was not a civil servant. So maybe she didnt perform as well as required and so she gets terminated.
    • day ah come (19/03/2013, 15:57) Like (6) Dislike (0) Reply
      Leave the ndp every dog got his day!!!
  • links (19/03/2013, 09:45) Like (8) Dislike (44) Reply
    So let me get this straight. The local people who have been given contracts are called NDP cowbirds not BVIslanders. But the others are considered indigenous and locals. What? Shaina, OJ, Claude, Dawn Smith, Broderick, Marlon Penn and many others have been given consultancy contracts and employment and we do not ever see a headline about it. when OJ and Claude got their contracts for $90k we saw headlines blasting the Government for paying them so much. Now we have a headline blasting Government for paying an outside person $95k and not the local. LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
  • please (19/03/2013, 09:56) Like (20) Dislike (5) Reply
    Come on people! Being a local CANNOT be enough! I am a BVIslander and I am more interested in the job being done properly, than keeping a BVIslander in a position just because.
    • land mass (19/03/2013, 14:08) Like (2) Dislike (0) Reply
      We have enough of those unemployed youths in this country we could not stand another one.
  • wise-up (19/03/2013, 10:04) Like (10) Dislike (1) Reply
    Please don’t beat up on the Governor to much, we don’t “Buckingham” to extend his contract just to be spiteful to us; on another note, we keep point fingers but it is our very own that continues to make life hard for us in the VI....you realize you seldom hear from the leader of Government business on certain issues; the leaders of this place are very vocal just before elections while promising to fix this and fix that, once in office them forget all about us
  • Ya Will Hear (19/03/2013, 10:31) Like (13) Dislike (2) Reply

    Wellsa, is wha kinda a ministers/elected representatives we have buddy. Who the hell is N S. Then ah hear he the preach to the Adventistwist. How can they sit and listen to this bunch of crap. Tis true what the saying says, wolf in sheep's clothing. Keeping the Sabbath and living for the devil the other six day. Mr. S... you say you're a man of God, stop being so vindictive. God sees and knows ALL things.

    Jen don't mind the noise. You will get your do. You came up hard and put yourself through school and you know what it is to work for want you want. Nobody gave you handouts, just put your trust in God He is the rewarder of those that diligently seek HIM.

    The ministers and representative full of it. They get who they want. If the Premier wanted Jen there N S couldn't do a thing about it. Then again where is the Premier's wife from, Anguilla. That's why Ronnie got finance the last time he led, he wasn't being led. N.... got Dr. Smith wrap round he lil finger.. As slow as Ralph the walk, Dr. Smith can't touch he went it comes to the finances of this country. With Ralph we knew who was in charge. With Dr. Smith we still trying to figure out who runs the show.

  • insider (19/03/2013, 10:53) Like (9) Dislike (3) Reply
    Ms. Jenifer is quite capable of handling the job given to the Anguillan women!!..this had nothing to do with NDP it’s just Mr. Smith being spiteful
  • Boss (19/03/2013, 11:02) Like (8) Dislike (1) Reply
    Well Lawdy,everytime i come on the news i always seeing more and more dollar signs, and more zero's at the end if these figures....smh where we goin b in the future buddy... but safe to say is the people of the bvi put the NDP in charge,now we suffering big damn time......WE TO BLAME,well you guys are cause i didnt waste my time and go put no X by none ah them names.....waste a time and my hard earnd tax friggin dollar.....
  • tell all (19/03/2013, 11:09) Like (28) Dislike (1) Reply
    Wow, VINO you leave out stuff man. Added to the $95K we have 5% gratutuity, 2,500. monthly rent allowance, Phone paid for by government, brand new vehicle paid for by government. Do the maths people.

    The last I heard is that Mrs. O'neal asked for her base salary but no, Mr. Smith/The Premier prefered to get rid of her and pay this Ms. Mendie this huge salary with all the trimmings. All I can say is WOW. The lady aint know jack but she is here with this kind of contract. We say we want BVIslanders who are qualified we have one so what's the problem. Neil doing a lot of BS and not one member of government with the intestinal fortitude to put he in his place. Now I see why Ralphie didn't want he scany backside there. That's what happens when we think we bigger than people. Neil remember what goes around comes around. Karma is a bitch.
  • cat & mouse (19/03/2013, 11:13) Like (8) Dislike (60) Reply
    Maybe Mr Smitzhes didnt get none ah dey ting wah sharing
  • Sliver Wolf (19/03/2013, 11:16) Like (14) Dislike (42) Reply
    Is this case where they needed some one fresh with new ideas, we must remain positive some times. Maybe her attitude towards her work or boss is not healthy. Is it because some one is qualify and not pulling their weight you should keep them ?, I don't think so. The worst thing as a manager is to have some one under you who not pulling their weight in a certain position. If she was that good he would have kept her. This happens to every administration and will continue if there is ever a change of Government. Its Politics and some of us cant get too comfortable in certain positions.
  • Willy (19/03/2013, 11:19) Like (20) Dislike (1) Reply
    NDP will be defeated badly come 2015. I voted for them in the 2011 election hoping they would turn out to be a reformed party following their lost in 2007. From their action post the last election it is now clear that they are the same pre-packaged bunch of liers who are only interested in fattening their own pockets. Can you imagine paying the price for what was being marketed as a brand new item only to receive the package, open it, and find an old pair of shoes that are worn down?
    • Message to the Premier (19/03/2013, 19:58) Like (6) Dislike (2) Reply
      You are a Dr. so you should know not to play with people emotions. It hurts when you bite someone but eventually the pain goes away but when you mess with people emotions well it can come back to bite you 10 times harder. Your administration is out for the kill this time around but next elections your administration will be completely dead. We are not voting in two but all of you will be out. Mark my word.
  • True (19/03/2013, 11:22) Like (20) Dislike (3) Reply
    everyone is reading over and missing the point thats is just a little note in the article

    " but her last contract was not renewed, as a satisfactory employment package was not offered to her to continue as a public officer"

    She turned down the job because they would give in to requests for extra money and benefits, could of more been done to keep her in the post, yes i'm sure they could of but in the end she didn't get enough moeny so didn't sign on the dotted line. So everyone of you BVIslanders go ahead and demand a pay rise or you won't stay on your current job and see how the vacancies are filled by Expats.
    • . (19/03/2013, 15:48) Like (4) Dislike (2) Reply
      I sure she wasn't asking no 95 grand plus house allowance, car, plus, plus. so who are these Anguillans and expats that they get so much better pay than a local? What MBA she hold and from where?
  • ausar (19/03/2013, 11:26) Like (25) Dislike (11) Reply
    One should analyze whether the "Anguillan" is related to any of the current "Anguillans" related to/ or have close alliances with the Premier!
    • just so (19/03/2013, 16:23) Like (2) Dislike (2) Reply
      You aint went to the play by the college and the people explain that Anguilla people have close ties to this country people them...
  • Eagle Eye (19/03/2013, 11:42) Like (11) Dislike (1) Reply
    if you are constantly looking for more qualify persons you will always find. but when you are running your locals out of a job they are qualify for in their own country,you are building a time bomb.
  • Paige Summer (19/03/2013, 11:51) Like (10) Dislike (3) Reply
    Yes I am for a local getting the work but what is the underlining reason for them not renewing her contract. One should not just look at the fact that she is a local but did she do the job the way it was suppose to be done and did she put aside politics. These a critical factors and if a government has to discontinue a locals contract it must be for good reason and if it must be done then it must be done. Just to say she is local is not a good enough reason to employ a person because we as locals abuse the system just the same.
  • 9Days (19/03/2013, 11:54) Like (2) Dislike (1) Reply
    Nine days talk!!! blah blah!
  • Angry Birds (19/03/2013, 12:09) Like (10) Dislike (68) Reply
    So because she is a local she is not allowed to be fired? lol. Now maybe (because i dont know the situation) she wasnt performing at a high enough caliber. Just a maybe
  • ---------- (19/03/2013, 15:17) Like (15) Dislike (0) Reply
    But them two use to be tight (N & J)..you all must investigate the fall out…more in the mota
  • . (19/03/2013, 15:50) Like (8) Dislike (2) Reply
    Love affair gone sour?
    • MYOB (20/03/2013, 09:24) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      If you have no business, make it your business to mind your business, and leave people business alone.
  • Double Trouble (19/03/2013, 15:55) Like (3) Dislike (17) Reply
    What we failing to realise is yes she is local first but its a contract she was on and based on general orders or whtaever she is only allowed two contracts and she had her two time for her to go. she will have to get a break in between this one and another one.. I guess tha's why they give the lady jus for one year only to give jennifer the chance for a break and not to cause a breach.....im sure she understand but acting ignorant to the fact as most of these ppl round here does these days....

    People look beyond being local...there are always underlying reasons why things are happening. SHE WAS ALLOWED TWO CONTRACTS AND AND THE END OF THE TWO THAT WAS IT....SHE ENDED HER LAST ONE IN DECEMBER SO NOW, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM....SHE HAD TO KNOW HA TERMS COMING IN RIGHT.....

    Sickening!
    • writer (23/03/2013, 01:35) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      dem say she had an interview wid ports but dem done got dat work for Al the NDP money man
  • Another Virgin Gordian (19/03/2013, 16:03) Like (11) Dislike (0) Reply
    I cannot believe another Virgin Gordian is out of work. Can someone tell me what's going on? This island is/was a big supporter of the NDP and this is what they have done to us. Let's get ready to go down and MARCH. This is unbelievable. You know what? Election will be here soon, and they are coming back to look votes, let's prepare ourselves to vote them out. So many Virgin Gordians at home sitting down and still adding more, it just is not right. Jen now brings the total to seven or eight from VG sitting down at home.They will come begging again but let them come
    • wow (19/03/2013, 17:29) Like (3) Dislike (3) Reply
      You should know by now, Tolans don't study VG. Not unless you last name F**x.
      • get from in front my door (19/03/2013, 23:38) Like (2) Dislike (1) Reply

        but when the NDP and their cronies come to VG next election please booooooo them and throw hot pee on them

  • as the world turns (19/03/2013, 16:21) Like (5) Dislike (0) Reply
    The world spins...always treat people how you will like to be treated!!!
  • Me again Jah (19/03/2013, 16:22) Like (4) Dislike (0) Reply
    Mr. N Smith was advised by the bigger Mr. Smith that if Mrs O'neal dont keep out of a certain situation, she would suffer the consequences. The lady more than qualified to do the job and she functioned under both administrations. She aint gonna back down cause the bro in law of the bigger Smith cant handle he homeland affairs, so her contract was not renewed. N. Smith is a worthless man. Good thing you cant touch my pay check from govt. cause I am a bigger Smith than you. Smith or not, you wrong for this one. Your family telling yuh so paddicks. N. Smith the least you can do is put the new person in one of her apartments to live.
  • civil servant (19/03/2013, 16:48) Like (2) Dislike (0) Reply
    .... GOD HELP US ALL... You could be next
    • lobby (20/03/2013, 20:12) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
      Bad example for the local youths who are told to stay in school and get qulified
  • good riddance (19/03/2013, 16:48) Like (8) Dislike (115) Reply
    see me and live with me old people say is two different thing. some of us think we are worth more than we actually are. Mr. Smith just had the balls to put his foot down.
  • one day soon (19/03/2013, 17:30) Like (2) Dislike (0) Reply
    Lord the poor girl just purchase the building up horse path now she cannot pay the mortgage with no job...see how deeds people continue to tek break out of others mouth and thinks tis ok to continue this practice...somebody going get mad one day and .....@#@$% tis dawn place
  • One Life (19/03/2013, 18:24) Like (3) Dislike (61) Reply
    Position for Position! Guessing she stop getting into the right position. Besides from my experience of her, 40% of the time she spent on the job she was on her cell phone. That is why they give her office to the big belly man.
    • sad (19/03/2013, 19:49) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      IT'S A PHONE EPIDEMIC....MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE IN THIS "ALWAYS ON THE PHONE THING" RIPPING OFF THEIR EMPLOYER EVERY DAY...sad....if its true...God Sees!!!
  • Outsider (19/03/2013, 19:01) Like (8) Dislike (0) Reply
    the same way Premier took back the head of H M Customs when the same FS send him on leave if he was concern he could take her back but she is not a Smith election day soon come Dr. take it easy.
  • doc (19/03/2013, 19:16) Like (5) Dislike (0) Reply
    you all talking but don't forget one of those ministers are from anguilla so he has to help look out for his country people.
    • fact check (20/03/2013, 20:16) Like (2) Dislike (0) Reply
      foreigners run things and you loclas cannot do a thing about it!!! hahahahahehehehehe
  • lets face it (19/03/2013, 23:21) Like (5) Dislike (0) Reply
    if you all put in the island man government with them wives or husbands from down island, do you not expect locals will suck salt??? come on get with the programe
  • Voting day (19/03/2013, 23:36) Like (2) Dislike (0) Reply
    I time we vote in a new party get some fresh ideas on the table NDP or VIP a worth it no more sad to say
  • 2Sides (20/03/2013, 05:37) Like (5) Dislike (2) Reply
    Remember there are two sides to every story and more if more than two persons are involved. Not bashing the young lady but as someone said "more in the mortar", she have "her" ways and what happened I'm pretty sure could have resulted differently if she was a different type of person. Before we judge think sensibly....yes local but policies are policies and the individuals involved may not always make the best decisions but sometimes that decision is the best for the organization.
  • starter (20/03/2013, 08:55) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
    HYPOCRISY and DOUBLE STANDARDS
  • student (20/03/2013, 11:58) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
    I really am at a loss to understand what is going on here.
  • Valley (20/03/2013, 17:24) Like (8) Dislike (0) Reply
    No one can accuse the brilliant Jenifer of being lazy and incomptetent
  • for real (21/03/2013, 08:17) Like (2) Dislike (0) Reply
    Because she is the best at everything she does and the place will be in shambles without her lol lol lol!
  • ... (22/03/2013, 15:56) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    lol. good one!
  • keep it real (24/03/2013, 09:36) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Girlfriend you know they not going hire you as no Deputy at ports that job is for their supporter Al

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