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Another local family allegedly ordered off beach

- Family aggressively fought back & has alerted Gov’t about issue
Little Apple Bay beach in West End, where Mrs Myrtle L. Stoutt-Fraites and family were allegedly ordered off. Photo: sugarmillhotel.com
According to Mrs Myrtle L. Stoutt-Fraites, she has heard about people being chased off beaches, especially on Virgin Gorda, but she was not prepared to be disrespected in her own country and stood her ground. Photo: Facebook
According to Mrs Myrtle L. Stoutt-Fraites, she has heard about people being chased off beaches, especially on Virgin Gorda, but she was not prepared to be disrespected in her own country and stood her ground. Photo: Facebook
According to a family from Jost Van Dyke, they were denied access to a certain beach area on Peter Island on Saturday January 7, 2017. Photo: VINO/File
According to a family from Jost Van Dyke, they were denied access to a certain beach area on Peter Island on Saturday January 7, 2017. Photo: VINO/File
WEST END, Tortola, VI – A Manager of Sugar Mill Hotel & Restaurant in Little Apple Bay, on the Western End of Tortola, is accused of attempting to force a family off the beach there but was met with strong resistance, which almost turned violent.

Relating to Virgin Islands News Online how it all went down, Mrs Myrtle L. Stoutt-Fraites said it was on Sunday January 8, 2017 that the family was observing the birthday of her late father, Mr W.W. Warren Stoutt.

“…and the children and grandchildren organised a get together and after we were finish with our ceremony of laying our wreath at his grave, we went to the beach in Little Apple Bay where we all grew up and where we all swam all our lives,” said Mrs Stoutt-Fraites.

The confrontation

The woman claimed that while on the beach, the owner/manager of Sugar Mill Hotel and restaurant told them they could not sit on the chair, use the hammock and allegedly even asked the children to come out of the water.

“But sweetheart he didn’t have a warm time because I and my siblings and my nieces and my grandchildren we were on him like white on rice, the only thing we didn’t do was to slap him and my husband restrained me from doing that because I was about to give him couple blows,” the business woman related with no regrets.

She continued, “I asked him where the hell were you when my father, my brother, myself and my siblings were dredging this hole and taking rocks out of the beach, when we plant the coconut trees that he had his hammock hung on, the almond trees that shade that beach where was he?”

Refusing to be budged

According to the woman, the family refused to comply to the manager’s orders and consequently he allegedly took the hammock off the pole while one of them was still in it. “So, they got up off of that but we got up off of nothing else and did not leave that beach until 8:30 P.M.”

“The other thing he told us is that we must go to Cane Garden Bay and swim….. but he lucky my brother wasn’t there because somebody would have been in the morgue and the other in prison because when my brother came and went to look for him he went in and never came back out.”

This news site was told by Mrs Stoutt-Fraites that she or any of her family members never experienced such treatment on Tortola before. “Never in the history of Tortola. We had white neighbours, over and over and over, Patrick was the last manager before him and Patrick became our brother. We got along very well without any difficulty.”

The woman said she has heard about people being chased off beaches especially on Virgin Gorda but she was not prepared to be disrespected in her own country and stood her ground.

It is our information that a complaint was lodged with Deputy Premier and Minister for Natural Resources and Labour Honourable Kedrick D. Pickering (R7) who we understand promised to speak with the hotel owner.

Mrs Stoutt-Fraites also said the Premier’s Office was informed on the matter. “…they have to know how serious I am, that’s how angry I am.”

This news site made several attempts to reach the Manager of Sugar Mill Hotel and Restaurant but each time we were told to call back as he was not available.

Similar complaints

It was on Saturday January 7, 2017 that a local family was also allegedly asked to leave a certain beach area on Peter Island.

The family from Jost Van Dyke said they went to the island with a private boat and was subsequently approached by a manager of the Peter Island Resort who allegedly being told they had to move to another area.

“He told us we had to move to an area in front of the restaurant because they have an area for non-designated guests. I have never heard that before in my life. He told us we have to sit in-front of the restaurant. I have been going to that island for over ten years and never heard such a thing,” a Mrs Galloway told this news site.

Another local family also complained that they were denied use of the ferries to get to Peter Island and Scrub Island to enjoy the beach.

According to law, beaches in the Virgin Islands (VI) should be accessible to the public to the high-water mark.

130 Responses to “Another local family allegedly ordered off beach”

  • because of the NDP (11/01/2017, 11:35) Like (40) Dislike (11) Reply
    We are being treated like dogs in our country...We want another like Conrad in power
    • the rock (11/01/2017, 13:22) Like (18) Dislike (2) Reply
      People know your rights, once you can sail up to any beach weather its on a private island or not u can swim and use the sand on that beach, beaches that has to be assessed by land I really dont know the legality of that, if anyone knows, please shed some light on it!
      • iNTERSTING (11/01/2017, 14:54) Like (23) Dislike (1) Reply
        The Rock, plse let me know when you plan to sail up to OIL NUT BAY and go ashore!
        I will have popcorn and beer for sale!
        They even have a wire across the bay to prevent boats from getting in the bay....
    • death (11/01/2017, 17:02) Like (22) Dislike (5) Reply
      Let's fight to the death if thats what it takes. Put a stop now or you will leave to regret later. The whites want you out of the USA and still want your birth right. This NAP eh.
    • DON Q (11/01/2017, 17:03) Like (16) Dislike (5) Reply
      Good for ayo you all voted ndp
    • Wrong (11/01/2017, 21:16) Like (62) Dislike (48) Reply
      Mrs Myrtle L. Stoutt-Fraites is simply wrong. She is not entitled to cross the Sugar Mill land between the road and the high water mark on the beach, she is not entitled to go on the beach above the high water mark, she is not entitled to sit on the Sugat Mill chairs or hammocks. She is only entitled to use the part of the beach between the water and the hightide mark - that is a foot or so at low tide and none of the beach at high tide. However, she has to gain access from the sea and not over Suagr Mill land. Incidentally neither she nor her relatives planted any of the palm trees. Unfortunately not only was she wrong, but her reaction at the time and in the interview for this articles demonstrates her complete and uttter lack of class. Her behaviour was disgraceful and she should be ashamed or herself.
      • pat (12/01/2017, 00:03) Like (24) Dislike (16) Reply
        I would be irritated if someone not a guest sitting in my chairs and using my stuff too. And such a small beach and how many people in the party, how noisy was it and I hope they picked up their trash. people don't on Smugglers.
      • @wrong (12/01/2017, 18:56) Like (6) Dislike (3) Reply
        Most people seem to like what you say. Some don't seem to like it. However, whatbis clear is that what you say is true whether people like it or not.
      • Local (14/01/2017, 10:16) Like (4) Dislike (0) Reply
        Really disappointed in the behavior of certain of my people. Myrtie and here family were definitely wrong by taking possession of the furniture, intended for sugar mill guests. Then making such a scene and even telling her story to the newspaper shows her frustration about successfully people trying to bring prosperity to our island.
      • Mark (16/01/2017, 09:06) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        Legally, they are supposed to allow foot access to the beach through their land. You don't have to sail there.
    • think about it (11/01/2017, 23:17) Like (45) Dislike (13) Reply
      You can use the beach, there is no argument on that. But how can you expect to use his chairs and hammock - i dont get that bit. It seems to me like he was treating hostility with hostility. you both need to take a cool out
      • Scary Mary (13/01/2017, 12:03) Like (6) Dislike (2) Reply
        @ think about it - you are absolutely right!

        We can go there any time we want, but we can't use the hotel equipment. The chairs and hammock are owned by the hotel and as such are private property, designated for use by hotel guests.

        If the owner/manager wants to argue that we can't access the beach from the gate at the road, then climb over the little sea wall by the rocks on the West side of the restaurant, and walk around to the beach. The rocks were placed by man, not God and are inside the high water mark.

        If he decides to pursue this questionable line of "ownership" of the beach, I think a whole bunch of us should make a point of going there this weekend to help the new owner/manager understand our laws better.
  • Chris (11/01/2017, 11:36) Like (26) Dislike (18) Reply
    The invaders are here
  • Wellsahmehboy (11/01/2017, 11:47) Like (33) Dislike (14) Reply
    Wellsah, meh boi, I tell all you this thing start. From time Trump got in, they extending the slogan "make us great again." Well, either we stand united or we falling united. But we are going to send a message that we will not be denied access to and from any beach in the Virgin Islands. It looks like we got to start walking with jack spaniards and stinging nettles and cosha in our own country for these apartheid seeking individuals. There will be no Steve Becko or Trevon Martin in the Virgin Islands. Take note, please.
    • Why (11/01/2017, 13:01) Like (28) Dislike (21) Reply
      What the h..l Trump being elected has to do with this. This is the British Islands, Trump is the United States.
      • Trump (11/01/2017, 13:41) Like (4) Dislike (11) Reply
        make us hate again
      • Inez (12/01/2017, 17:57) Like (6) Dislike (1) Reply
        @ Why...BVI or USA...Racism is Global and if you don't fight it now, our future generations will feel it for eternity. No, Miss Stoutt should not have touched Sugar Mills private property, she was wrong, but The Managers snide remark about "GO SWIM IN CANE GARDEN BAY", was a direct slap in the face like Blacks must use the back door. For this statement, he needed to be told about himself and told were he should go.
    • yeah (11/01/2017, 17:41) Like (6) Dislike (12) Reply
      And when Onama got elected, you all thought you all was going to rule things and take over.
      • Heyboi (12/01/2017, 11:29) Like (13) Dislike (2) Reply
        Keep your poo-poo off Obama. He was the sock-it-to them answer to Martin's dream. "One day we will get to the mountain top, and my golly, Mrs. Polly, we did.
        No one thought blacks was going to take over anything. Obama has proven that you can't stop an intellectual black man. None white or black will be like him. He has demonstrated that regardless of skin colour, you can lead effectively like anyone else with equal opportunity. Tell them to release all our black men from prisons that are there falsely, that are there for petty crimes, tell them let us be free to procreate without the imposed Planned Parenthood in our black neighbourhoods, and watch and see if the browns and the blacks wouldn't make America great like it was in the beginning -- Indians and blacks living side by side peacefully. These f**ging cave-mongers who all they do is steal from a particular group, always in somebody's space creating havoc. Any more Mugabe's, Fidel and Kadafi out there? Send their spirit to the BVI. The show has started...
        • Bev (12/01/2017, 12:46) Like (10) Dislike (0) Reply
          I have great respect for Obama considering the republicans made it their mission to shut him down - even if he agreed with their proposal! He for it? They switch sides to be contrary-. He had grace through adversity.
          one correction- Planned parenthood is not imposing any abortion edict on users. That is only 3% of their total service.
          They provide healthcare for the poor, cancer screening, and are treated like a clinic. It is stupid that people don't see its ultimate value. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. But if someone was raped, or is too young and the life of the mother or baby is in trouble, or a 7th child before the age of 30 and you are mentally unstable or baby is handicapped, wouldn't you want the option? Otherwise, society would have to take care of them, burden the mother who can't get her education or take care of the rest of her family.
          It is not to be used as birth control itself. That is hideous. But they also educate so pregnancy won't happen.
          seems something needed here.
      • Nemo (13/01/2017, 11:44) Like (5) Dislike (1) Reply
        @yeah. Only a fool would have thought because the President is Black that things would have changed. The President is the front man. He still cannot do just anything he wants to, he also has to follow the rules. So who thought there would be a takeover and Blacks would rule things? Are you aware that White America is in control of all of the military power and no one can take over anything. You sound so IGNORANT. Black people were just happy that they made history having the first Black President. They never thought he could be their savior, and if anyone thought that...well they really don't know anything about politics. There is no savior for anyone except White America, and that is only for the ELITE. If you are poor White, you are also up the creek without a paddle.
      • @yeah (15/01/2017, 22:27) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
        One thing we do know is we never thought about taking over but we do know that we will not become slaves again. We will try to respect others rights but will not be pushed beyond the limits. The same way we rebeled and fight for our freedom is the same way we will fight and keep it. May loose some along the way, but law or no law we will be treated equally and we will be treated right and we intend to fight to take back whats rightfully ours if that includes fighting an injust law even if we have to fight to the death. And when our fight have retired, we will teach out younger generation to continue the right of their forefarther. You will not take away our rights and push us to the hills. Its not rightfully yours. You (Cane) are evil doers with greedy bellys who selfishly destined to take away our (Abel) blessings so take that to the bank and deposit it because it's a promise.
  • Guest (11/01/2017, 11:48) Like (35) Dislike (13) Reply
    oh boy Apartheid in the BVI is alive and well
    • Fellow 1st District Resident (11/01/2017, 13:57) Like (82) Dislike (22) Reply
      Andrew, please educate this new fool in town who just reach on Seaborne to manage he staff and keep quiet. He biting off far too much than he could chew WESTSIDE. And who this fool is below. I refuse to respond under the fool who don't even have a name. But, your damn right. We BAAARRRRNNNN HERREEE and fecking PROUD!!!!! You did not and hence your problem. Suck it up or your are more than welcome to LEEEAAAVVVEEE!!!!!

      Fellow 1st District People, I say let us all get together and have a HUGE BEACH PARTY there this week end, Saturday and Sunday. Who worship on Saturday, ayou come Sunday. Bring a dish everybody. Who have music, bring that too. We going party like it still Christmas.

      Bring plenty beach chairs and hammock. We going hang them up on Myrtle and her family trees. Bring plenty rope also because we might need them to put up the hammock and tie up a few.

      Who don't have bathing suit come with your short pants and T-Shirts. Furthermore, all other Districts are invited as well. I feeling to PAAARRRTTTYY.
      • do it! (11/01/2017, 16:35) Like (31) Dislike (6) Reply
        LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.......

        I wish I could come but I'm not on island.
        I have heard white guests ask the Manager (on another island) to get the black people off the beach.
        They don't want to be on the beach with you.
        They will put up a fence next.
      • Really? (11/01/2017, 19:59) Like (11) Dislike (11) Reply
        And everyone of you will be going off the beach in handcuffs. I would love to see you pull off that PARTYYYYY. These people here don't have the B...s to do that.
      • Fellow 1st District Resident (13/01/2017, 19:51) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        I say postpone the beach party until the all clear has been given. Wind and water too high and will not permit us to PAAARRRTTTYY this weekend. I hear he putting up fence, but the Minister better warn he.
  • Hmm (11/01/2017, 11:50) Like (58) Dislike (86) Reply
    What a charming lady.

    Trespassing and then threatening someone doing their job and saying they'd have been happy to physically harm them.

    You're allowed to use the beach up to the high tide mark. I can guarantee you that the chairs, hammock and trees are well above the high tide mark, so you're trespassing and claiming that being BAHN HERE allows you to do so.
    • Struggling Man (11/01/2017, 12:11) Like (41) Dislike (19) Reply
      Hmm...........this is a public beach and he has no right to think it's his own. He needs to remove all his chairs, tables, hammocks and those apple things from the public beach. If he wants them solely for the use of his guests he needs to keep them up on the sand area around the restaurant which is his.
    • Hmm.......wrong (11/01/2017, 12:27) Like (22) Dislike (3) Reply
      If the high water mark runs onto your land then okay, but at Sugar Mill it borders a public road. Anyway you sound like the rude man Carmedy in disguise............
    • ??? (11/01/2017, 12:49) Like (21) Dislike (0) Reply
      Yes only up to the high water mark but does the land between the beach and road belong to Sugar Mill?
    • Annoyed (11/01/2017, 12:54) Like (60) Dislike (11) Reply
      When some of these hotel managers, who come here on work permits, and are granted the PRIVILEGE to live and work among us they should know to respect BVI's culture and traditions. If this cannot be done than they need to go back where they come from to do that sort of thing. That return ticket will soon be put to use. This is utter nonsense and we will not stand for it.!
    • I see u (11/01/2017, 13:00) Like (10) Dislike (0) Reply
      Ok Dennis.
    • scatter (11/01/2017, 13:40) Like (41) Dislike (18) Reply

      @Hmm

      I am from West End, Born and Bred and PROUD. I too use that beach on many occassions, but let them come.

      As it is you are the one who is trespassing and they need to revoke your work permit with immediate effect. They are HIGHLY out of place ordering those kids to come out of the water. He needs p**s*g on. As far as I see they are the ones who have their chairs, hammock and the like on Government property as the high tide mark makes it way all the way ACROSS the street to the actual hotel. Government needs to tell them take up their belongings off the high tide mark. Bunch of apartheid seekers. Trump's win in America swell their heads and have them thinking they can do whatever they want all over the world. Myrtle you are indeed a charming lady. You are one of BVI's finest. Hold your head high and stand your ground. Your father helped to build this nation and was indeed a VERY kind and humble man, but don't you just comers take liberty to step on us like that.

      Going to OUR beaches to celebrate holidays and other family occasions are a part of who we are. We were here long before they arrived like Christopher Columbus who claimed he discovered. Let them SCATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!

      But at the end of the day, its the Government of the past allowed all this FOOLISHNESS. Not being political now, but back in those days we needed greater insight to prevent what is happening now.

      Ayo SCATTER, SCATTER, SCATTER!!! WHO VEX, VEX!!!!!!!

      • BigEars (11/01/2017, 15:59) Like (15) Dislike (13) Reply
        Trump? They are not even American. You sound as silly as they do.
        • scatter (11/01/2017, 18:13) Like (11) Dislike (4) Reply
          @BigEars

          Your ears so big and you didn't hear me say SCATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If your eyes ain't no use PLUG them.
    • ShakeupShakeup (12/01/2017, 11:48) Like (5) Dislike (4) Reply
      And you, Hmm, don't know where is the high water mark. The Government need to acquire an 8 foot right of way to all public beaches. This thing about getting to the beach from the seas is bull piss, thud and shit mixed together. Where in the world did people go to the beach from the seas first? If we do not address these situations in this Virgin Islands, we are going to have war here. This is how you fix a sore-foot, do not wait until it starts to fester. Look, BVI will go to the dogs, but no white-man or woman will stand imposing Apartheid in these islands... we eat grass first, but we are not standing for baring our people from beaches. Go back to the caves of Europe and bathe there like you were before the Moors taught you. Sure, you all would have died with your diseases by now -- dogs, cats, beast and human sharing the same space and taste... hmmm
  • Struggling Man (11/01/2017, 11:57) Like (50) Dislike (9) Reply
    This man at Sugar Mill is discusting and has no respect for local people. He defaced the beautiful old Sugar Mill restaurant by grouting the beautiful old walls that were built 400years ago by our slave ancestors. He also greedy as he was using his own boat to charter guests and Customs fine he $5,000. He is also driving his guests places and not calling taxis like the previous owners used to do. He rude to his staff and several have left his employment and he uses swear words in front of he staff. One old lady that complained about the food was told to 'get out' and if she did not move he "would punch her lights out".......this is written on Trip Advisor.
    These English people that come to live amoung us need to show respect or leave.
    • ok (11/01/2017, 13:23) Like (32) Dislike (2) Reply
      Thank you!!! And this business will not excel! Go back to where you came from with your selfish and dishonorable attitude! He even treats the customers like ****!
    • CGB resident (11/01/2017, 14:47) Like (47) Dislike (2) Reply
      Yes have sent people there based on previous owners , the new owner is very rude should not be the front man, kitchen preferably, we have been here 25 yrs will not go back there or recommend it.
    • Fine he behind (11/01/2017, 14:54) Like (21) Dislike (0) Reply
      Where is his taxi license? If it was me taxiing out meh lil old car, they would be hunting me down bout taxi license. We are our own greatest demise. Can Trade please investigate?? He needs a fine for that too.
      • Just saying (11/01/2017, 19:48) Like (4) Dislike (3) Reply
        @Fine he behind, so you knew this all along and you kept your mouth shut now, just because this came up, you are babbling about it? What you need to do is #Learn how to mind your own business. See how you people are?
        • Fine he behind (12/01/2017, 13:48) Like (6) Dislike (0) Reply
          @Just saying, it is Struggling Man (above) who advised us of his alleged underhand taxi operation. I learned about it here just like you did, hence my blog. But the problem is ayou can't read and understand. Before you hit the keys ask a 6 or 7 year old to interpret for you. Gosh man. Direct your anger at the right source. Just saying.....
          • Just saying (12/01/2017, 14:46) Like (1) Dislike (6) Reply
            @Fine he behind, hear say, I am standing behind my comment. You and whoever still need to learn how to mind your business. You have a problem, go directly to the source.
    • boycott (11/01/2017, 15:00) Like (28) Dislike (0) Reply
      Well I hope after this write up any locals that used to patronise this establishment will now cease from doing so.
      • Local (11/01/2017, 16:46) Like (11) Dislike (23) Reply
        @Boycott, I patronize the establishment
        and I will continue to do so.
      • Another local (11/01/2017, 19:41) Like (14) Dislike (20) Reply
        That is not a reason for any locals to stop going to that place of business. Every other Weekend my wife and I go there for cocktails and dinner and we will continue to do so. And yes, we are black.
    • The Manager Concerned (11/01/2017, 15:27) Like (18) Dislike (28) Reply
      You mean we restored and repaired the Sugar Mill Restaurant that was in danger of falling down and was also in danger of being condemned by Environmental Health for the number of creatures living in the walls and the moss growing on them. We repaired the broken concrete floors too and fixed up the falling to pieces kitchen. The hotel does have its own boat and this remains an attraction to visitors. I am not sure where you get these stories from but i can guess. We actually use more taxis than ever because the number of guests has gone up. Since we took over the hotel 15 months ago 4 members of the 35- 40 strong staff have left for one reason or another, one to move to the USA , one to have a baby etc and we have recruited 6.

      Do not believe everything you read on Trip Advisor , good or bad , because anyone can post anything there and that story is non sense. But if you want to believe that read also the numerous 5 star reviews of the hotel.
      • . (11/01/2017, 16:19) Like (37) Dislike (8) Reply
        What about the service charge yall KEEP from hard working staffs??? Lets talk about that! "Strong staffs" huh?? But stealing from them!
        • The Manager Concerned (11/01/2017, 17:39) Like (15) Dislike (23) Reply
          Since we took over the service charge has been increased form 10 to 15%. as it says on our menu this is entirely distributed to our staff.
      • @ manager concerned (11/01/2017, 23:10) Like (21) Dislike (5) Reply
        The Morgan's did an excellent job of owning and operating the Sugar Mill.........you need to stop maligning their legacy. My husband and I used to dine there on a regular basis and we never saw creatures coming out of the walls or moss growing on them. So stop your nonsense and detest from destroying our BVI heritage and the reputation of the Morgan's who did a lot more than you will ever contribute to our islands. Jeff and Judith need to give you lessons in hospitaliy and basic manners and take your arrogance back to England.
      • YOUSEE (12/01/2017, 11:54) Like (11) Dislike (3) Reply

        The Manager concerned, and what about your behaviour to Mr. Warren's children and grand-children? Mr. Warren chased off congoes and pulled off big rocks to help create that beach. You see, not a word he breathed about that aspect. Don't mass our corns, meh son.

      • Trip Advisor Contributor (13/01/2017, 13:58) Like (17) Dislike (2) Reply
        As the person who made the Trip Advisor contribution regarding the threat made to the elderly woman, I can confirm its accuracy. It was posted January 3, 2016 and is 100% accurate. It is copied below:

        We are residents of BVI and regular visitors to Islands restaurant at Sugar Mill. We went for lunch today. When we arrived, a table of 5 people was already seated. The table consisted of 4 middle age people and an elderly woman. The next thing we know the owner comes up and says to the table "get out and never come back". Apparently there was a situation the night before. We have no idea as to the details, but the owner's actions were disgusting. He walked away and then one minute later walked back and said "I will punch your lights out. Get out". Meanwhile the elderly woman said "I am trying to leave as fast as I can" as she clearly was struggling to get up. The staff, who are fantastic, looked on in shock.

        I have never seen anything more offensive in the hospitality service. I have no idea what happened the night before, but whatever it was, nothing, absolutely nothing, excuses the new owner's disgusting ugly behaviour. I have never been so offended, and we were just observers!

        We cannot recommend Islands or Sugar Mill under this new owner.

    • The System Set!! (12/01/2017, 12:21) Like (5) Dislike (0) Reply
      Why isn't our education system being credited with producing leaders in our tourism and hospitality industry for the preservation and transmission of our culture? Why are we still employing persons with no patriotic ties or interest in these positions that require historical and cultural expertise?
  • SMH (11/01/2017, 11:58) Like (27) Dislike (9) Reply
    Government need to send out a memo to these people that our beaches are open to all by law
  • Real Talk (11/01/2017, 12:18) Like (18) Dislike (4) Reply
    I still cry for my bvi
  • Ya me born (11/01/2017, 12:21) Like (24) Dislike (3) Reply
    Virgin islanders continue selling out your lands to the highest bidder(whites) and by the next decade you'll be like the Palestinians..be very careful my people...land worth more than money.
  • Sickened (11/01/2017, 12:34) Like (9) Dislike (0) Reply
    This story and similar ones recently published remind me of the Mighty Gabby's brave song, 'Jack.' Link below
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gTbGkop7mss
  • War Time (11/01/2017, 12:45) Like (36) Dislike (5) Reply
    Take your stand BVIslanders and let us band together. We can't go to another country. This is our home. Don't back down. Yes, we Stoutt, Stout born here and we proud of that.
  • VGIFROM (11/01/2017, 12:48) Like (19) Dislike (2) Reply
    Any sucker try that with me,my children or any relative trust methe BVI will get small.These are the GOVTS,past and present allowed.Go spring Bay,you actually have walk on someone's patio Pond Bay a Helipad,Villa Rentals before Mango Bay poolls on the beach,people talking about high water marks where was town&country,public work when all this was going on.I building a fowl coop with in my limitations they in my face.Someday,Someday
  • AShame (11/01/2017, 13:05) Like (15) Dislike (5) Reply
    Give respect to you gain respect! This man and his wife is OUT OF CONTROL! Please investigate this place thoroughly and see what's going on!
  • Tired of British Arrogance (11/01/2017, 13:16) Like (23) Dislike (6) Reply
    Please put this on Trip Advisor. We need to let folks know not to come to his place. Average food and price to high.
    • He is his Own Enemy (11/01/2017, 16:27) Like (16) Dislike (8) Reply
      Trip Advisor, Facebook, Conde Nast, Trivago, Expedia etc. Copy and paste the link.... let's teach this idiot an expensive lesson......... fool.
  • Foreigners need to respect us! (11/01/2017, 13:23) Like (21) Dislike (8) Reply
    These people think because they have money they can rule us out of our own beaches and land. This is utter nonsense! Our home and they think they own it because he color of their skin. This better be the last time something like this happens. We need to take the stand and break this trend ! We all living in our paradise and those from tim buck two need to respect us and let us be. We are home. Leave us alone.
    • ... (11/01/2017, 15:34) Like (26) Dislike (23) Reply
      If it was a black business man telling anyone on a public beach not to use his furniture nobody would be making noise. We all know that all beaches in the BVI is for public use. I went to a beach where the local business man had his furniture out as a curse ship was in and i sat on it and he told me to get. It's his chair and he have all right to tell me who can use his chair, as business man. Business is business no if you black or white.
      • @... (11/01/2017, 16:36) Like (25) Dislike (6) Reply
        and RESPECT IS RESPECT!! BLACK OR WHITE!!!! IT IS NOT ABOUT COLOUR!! IT IS ABOUT HIS DAMN ATTITUDE TOWARDS THE PEOPLE WHO HE MET HERE!!! IGNORANCE FOR SOMEONE WHO DONT BELONG HERE!
  • The Chinese are coming soon (11/01/2017, 13:24) Like (9) Dislike (1) Reply
    Goat done dead!
  • Bandit (11/01/2017, 13:27) Like (9) Dislike (2) Reply
    Soon you willorder off the islands entirely.
  • waste ah time (11/01/2017, 13:44) Like (24) Dislike (5) Reply
    bvislanders only bark--- they don't bite
  • dog (11/01/2017, 13:53) Like (21) Dislike (6) Reply

    Cant believe her family expirence!! ,this damn man work permit needs to be pull

    • dog (12/01/2017, 00:17) Like (10) Dislike (0) Reply
      this is why there is only one dog. people identify opinions with one person.
      you are not it. get your own identity. I don't necessarily agree with your opinion either.
      beaches public yes. Using a resorts resources and chairs no. It is trespassing.
      I would have at least had the courtesy to let them know my family was coming.
      the beach is really small anyway. The original owners (jinx) are the ones who put the money into it.
  • 7day (11/01/2017, 14:02) Like (2) Dislike (12) Reply
    Way to go lady but......I and thought you were an...
    • Look! (11/01/2017, 14:50) Like (18) Dislike (4) Reply
      Yes Christians can get offended too! He wants to disrespect her family?? Boss look!!! He came the right place with that attitude! Just need to meet the RIGHT PERSON TOO!
    • @7day (11/01/2017, 15:16) Like (18) Dislike (1) Reply
      Because she is an Adventist she must take sh*t. You people are mentally enslaved.
  • WHITE BLACK (11/01/2017, 14:30) Like (14) Dislike (8) Reply
    WHY IS THIS A RACIST DISCUSSION?
    • @White Black (11/01/2017, 16:42) Like (8) Dislike (10) Reply
      Because if they were a white family he would ask them to leave as well----NOT
  • Lawyer (11/01/2017, 14:46) Like (13) Dislike (6) Reply
    @ the rock, the high water mark determine crown land form private. The high water mark is not by measurment
    but rather whereby when the sea reaches it higest point at extreme high tide or whereby vegetation starts which
    ever comes first.

    But the lack of enforcement is the problem. Until a white man or woman get some good licks from a black man it will never change.
  • iNTERSTING (11/01/2017, 15:00) Like (10) Dislike (2) Reply
    Actually I think if you read the laws it is public land 10ft above the high water mark.
  • The Manager Concerned (11/01/2017, 15:00) Like (51) Dislike (49) Reply

    I am the person who spoke with the people on the beach.

    The people concerned were about 30 in number. On the top part of the beach at Apple Bay are luxurious cushioned chairs and cabanas paid for and maintained by the hotel. The people concerned had taken over the loungers, apple cabanas and hammocks which are the private property of the hotel. They were lying on the hotels cushions. There was food and drink spread around on some of the loungers which were being used as picnic tables. They did not ask anyone if they might do this and when asked to vacate the private chairs and cabanas refused to do so. The response of some of them, not all, was abusive and aggressive telling me to "get back to South Africa" [ i am not from South Africa].
    They claimed that because the chairs and cabanas were on a public beach it was their right to be able to use them. I pointed out that it is common for people to have private loungers etc on public beaches and gave the loungers on Cane Garden Bay as an example. I did not tell them to go to Cane Garden Bay. I also pointed out that cars on public roads are still private property even if they are in a public space. I also pointed out that people who brought their own chairs and loungers to public beaches had the right to private use of them. They had brought some coolers to the beach and I pointed out that because the cooler was on a public beach it did not mean that anyone could just use it.
    At no point did i order the people to leave the beach. I asked them to show some respect for the hotel property and to at least have the manners to ask if they could use the beach furniture. It was late afternoon and we were about to put the cushions, hammocks etc away for the night. I asked the people in the hammocks to vacate them so we might do so. They initially refused but then did so. I then put the hammocks away. We left the cushions there until the party left the beach.
    At no point was there any physical contact and there was no danger of any violence form me although two of the older females in the party were extremely aggressive and abusive. The comments above made by the party concerned about slaps and blows and someone coming looking for me are indicative of their attitude.

    Although the beach is public property the hotel maintains the beach, removes rocks and seaweed, sargasso weed and so on at its own expense for public enjoyment.
    You may have also seen that we now light the beach and sea at night .
    We have never asked anyone to leave the beach. The beach furniture occupies only the first 6-10 feet of the beach space from the road. There is plenty of space for enjoyment of the rest of the beach and the sea itself.

    The people concerned maintain that because private property is on a public beach they have the right to use it. If that is going to be the case then no one is going to provide furniture on public beaches. And as all beaches are public there would be no beach furniture for hotel guests and tourists to use anywhere in the BVI. But beach furniture is a vital part of attracting tourists. If they are right it means that when you take your personal chairs to the beach anyone has the right to use them.

    It seems obvious that private property in a public space still remains private property. But for the avoidance of doubt perhaps the government should issue a ruling on the matter.


    • okay (11/01/2017, 21:07) Like (17) Dislike (10) Reply
      Then take your garbage off the the beach
    • yes (12/01/2017, 09:06) Like (33) Dislike (22) Reply
      Thank you for the other side of the story.

      It's fairly clear that the "lady" if you can call her that, is just playing the race card because she's argumentative and knows she and the rest of her party were in the wrong.
    • liar (12/01/2017, 09:16) Like (16) Dislike (21) Reply
      It was not 30 persons on the beach! Don't lie. It was less than 30 to the memorial and even less because some persons opted not to attend the beach activities. It's obvious you are pathological liar. Now that situation has been made public you have warped the truth.
    • @ The Manager Concerned (12/01/2017, 09:48) Like (8) Dislike (6) Reply
      Fair enough....
  • District 2 (11/01/2017, 15:17) Like (24) Dislike (1) Reply
    Time and place of beach party. District 2 coming.
  • Scary Man (11/01/2017, 15:19) Like (31) Dislike (8) Reply
    Miss. Stoutt, this man looks like he needs anger management. In 2014 he come back to his condo in Nanny Cay and find somebody parked in his parking spot. He went inside his condo and get a baseball bat and mash up the car. When police come he would not come out to speak to them and two days later he leave the island and returned 12 months later when the statute of limitations expire. This is who the NDP give free import duty for all his imports including the boat he go and charter without a trade license and taking the bread off the tables of the local captains and charter boat businesses in West End. When you hang out with the big boys you can do as you like in the BVI......so sad !
    • HAHI (11/01/2017, 16:34) Like (22) Dislike (4) Reply
      Yes, I heard this one too! Smfh! I pray he does that to the RIGHT person!!! MONKEY KNOW WHICH TREE TO CLIMB MEH SEY!!!
    • Scary Indeed (11/01/2017, 21:17) Like (28) Dislike (1) Reply
      If this is true, I don't believe a word that "The Manager Concerned" above wrote. He is just trying to calm the backlash.
  • polly (11/01/2017, 16:15) Like (13) Dislike (11) Reply
    I am from that area and I know Sugar Mill beach to be man-made. There are public rights to the sea shores in the BVI, so the question is whether the Stoutt family could have or would have held any gathering there had the area been in its natural state?
    • That make sense! (11/01/2017, 19:57) Like (15) Dislike (4) Reply
      Well, if it's man made it's been there before 70's, because i grew up in that village and going to that beach and so did the rest of the other families (Smiths, Jones ) in that neighborhood and any other person who wanted to take a sea soak. So you are saying then that the beach Nanny Cay because it's man made the public shouldn't have access to it. I don't see Nanny Cay Manager disrespecting locals at that beach.
      • Guest (11/01/2017, 22:10) Like (19) Dislike (18) Reply
        You also don't see locals going to Nanny Cay and being disrespectful...
        • nanny cay (12/01/2017, 15:44) Like (8) Dislike (6) Reply
          Yes you do. On a Sunday "LOCALS" destroy the beach urinate and defecate on the beach itself I have witnessed this myself. There are public bathrooms which are also left in tatters. Never pick up their Rubbish NEVER tip the bar staff.
          • @Guests (12/01/2017, 19:32) Like (5) Dislike (5) Reply
            Some Locals rarely tip but demand the best and fastest service, even interupting other paying customers.
            You get good eggs and bad eggs everywhere but the whole 'I'm bahn here and the sence of intitlement is deffinatly a downfall for the BVI, even when compaired to other islands in the caribbean......ignorant over intergrity is definately the BVI way!!!
    • @polly (11/01/2017, 20:18) Like (14) Dislike (1) Reply
      People have been going that beach in its natural state for as long as I know. Before those chairs been on the beach.
  • WHERE! (11/01/2017, 16:21) Like (6) Dislike (1) Reply

    WHERE DO YOU GO TO COMPLAIN THAT THEY DONT GET THEIR FULL TIPS?? WHERE DO YOU GO AND ACTUALLY SEE ACTION BEING DONE??

    • Labour Department (12/01/2017, 16:23) Like (9) Dislike (1) Reply
      It should be to the Labour Department where you will file some sort of Wage Claim but good luck with that...Picko is hardly on your side.
  • @ConcernedManager (11/01/2017, 16:40) Like (30) Dislike (12) Reply
    You sound very professional for someone who PUSHED a old lady and her family out of your establishment and SHATTERED someone's car window. Oh please stop being fake! It is clear that you are a selfish and unprofessional person. Go home. The restaurant was better without you.
    • The Manager Concerned (11/01/2017, 18:56) Like (9) Dislike (19) Reply
      I have never even owned a baseball bt never mind broken a window with one. Or with anything else. Where do you get this non sense from?

      Over ten thousand people had dinner at the Sugar Mill in our first year of ownership. In that time we banned only one party of 5 people from the restaurant. They were banned because they were loud , abusive, probably drunk and disruptive to other guests. They reduced the waitress to tears and the manageress almost to tears. Four of them were younger and one of them was older. The older person was not involved in the incident but left with rest of the party. No one pushed her or anyone else. And to be clear the people concerned here were white.

      • Stopit!! (12/01/2017, 12:11) Like (15) Dislike (7) Reply
        Manager concerned, you appear to have a lot of stories surrounding you. You need to haul tail and leave this BVI because you are destined for some licks in your tail. Learn our customs and culture and how to treat people. I believe you were showing off your tail till your face turned red. Why you left England and came here? Your tail was living in those 100-year old flat and you were hand-to-mouth, right? Well, if you want to be hand-to-bank, you better cool out. It got some people from Long Look who does hit donkey a slap and they become unconscious. You don't want one of them, do you? Word to the wise. Mandingo breed lives in West End. Them coming too.
  • B Savage (11/01/2017, 17:46) Like (10) Dislike (8) Reply

    I wonder what can have this ....believing he can treat indigenous natives like that? Probably think he own the government....OH WAIT?

  • what a ness (11/01/2017, 19:01) Like (11) Dislike (5) Reply
    yes Myrtle let them know what time it is. Them come meet us and them going leave us
  • my thoughts (11/01/2017, 19:46) Like (55) Dislike (2) Reply
    The owner/manager may have a point that the cabanas and loungers should be off limits to non hotel guests. I can accept that but there is a way to deal with people and the problem may have been the way in which he approached this group of people. A read of the reviews on TripAdvisor for his restaurant the Sugar Mill is also quite telling. Sure there are a number of very good reviews but here are also a good number of not so good reviews. In almost every instance of a negative review, "'management" responds and the tone and content of the response had me shaking my head. Caustic, insulting, accusatory almost aggressive, never once humbly admitting to any fault and asking for the reviewer to give them a second chance. It's as if "how dare you criticize me, my establishment is perfect" kind of attitude. And in not one instance of the many positive and glowing reviews left for his restaurant did "management" respond to thank the guests for their patronage and positive words. To me that speaks volumes about the character of the person or persons managing this place.
    • @ my thoughts (11/01/2017, 20:36) Like (14) Dislike (0) Reply
      My friend........well said.......you hit the nail on the head !
    • The Manager Concerned (12/01/2017, 00:58) Like (4) Dislike (19) Reply
      You need to grow a sense of humour

      Unless of course you are carrying a grudge because you didnt make the grade
      • Go to Therapy, Dennis (12/01/2017, 09:09) Like (22) Dislike (2) Reply
        No, YOU need to grow a sense of humor........but first you need SENSE....You're RUDE and OBNOXIOUS.
        Each negative post you receive on Trip Advisor, you respond with your piss poor attitude in an attempt to embarrass the former guest. You have issues! Be conscious of how you speak to people.
        100 thousand sailors can't be wrong. Everyone is commenting on your past behavior.
        But, YOU come on here trying to sound like a saint.
        That only tells us you're a sociopath. Get Help!
        • @Go to Therapy, Dennis (12/01/2017, 10:18) Like (17) Dislike (1) Reply
          Very true.......that old man is should be Donald's VP
          No manners and behave like a schoolyard bully.........my way or the highway attitude !
  • ------------------- (11/01/2017, 19:46) Like (9) Dislike (4) Reply
    she had the courage to speak
  • BVI Justice (11/01/2017, 20:03) Like (19) Dislike (5) Reply
    It was used when there was rocks. By a poor ophan boy to catch fish to feed his family. Who helped to clean it and fix it up. It was used then, it will be used now. Dont want anyone to use your furniture, dont put it on a beach area THAT IS NOT YOURS!!! That kind of stuff does survive here AND IT NEVER WILL.....Remember Noel Lloyd....
    • @BVI Justice (11/01/2017, 22:06) Like (12) Dislike (1) Reply
      "Don't want anyone to use your furniture, don't put it on a beach area THAT IS NOT YOURS!!!"
      Ya think? Exactly!
      But that's his NOT so subtle way of commandeering the beach, as if
  • 7 district (11/01/2017, 20:05) Like (20) Dislike (2) Reply
    firstly there should be no justification of trying to remove someone off of public beach, that's first thing. secondly your asking what the NDP GOVERNMENT going to do about this? this is not the first incident and its only going to get worse. thirdly when is this beach party? 7 district would like to come as well!! we will bring the drinks!!!
    AN UPRISING IS COMING THE GOVERNMENT WILL NOT LAST! MARK MY WORDS THE HAMMER IS FALLING!!
  • White Expat (11/01/2017, 21:15) Like (50) Dislike (3) Reply
    Dear Tortola,
    I hope most understand that this behaviour is upsetting to everybody who resides in the BVI. There are many of us who have lived here for decades peacefully with respect and appreciation for the people and culture of the BVI. This particular individual has not made a good name for himself in the local community (more obviously), or the expat community. I find most of the comments on this thread justifiable, however, I hope that things do not get carried away due to the bad judgement of one person who does not typify the mentality of most of us who are thankful to be here and be part of your community.
    An appreciative long term (white) expat
    • Vie (11/01/2017, 23:14) Like (13) Dislike (12) Reply
      @ white expat you may be happy to be here ,but have you notice there are three of those situation one on jvd,one on peter island and the other on scrub island. These white managers must be mindful that they are on work permit and they must also know that belongers and residence can be revoked so be carefull who toed you step on in this country.
    • hi (12/01/2017, 00:22) Like (13) Dislike (4) Reply
      ok. White expat...you are excused but the attitude of that man?...leaves much to be desired..
    • @White Expat (12/01/2017, 01:00) Like (25) Dislike (2) Reply
      As a local I appreciate your kind words and encourage my people to continue to work, live and socialize with All Expats and treat them as our brothers and sisters. Matter of fact invite one over for tea and dumb bread! No need to paint everyone with a broad brush. One Expat went low, but like Michelle Obama says 'when they go low we go high". However as one Adventist to another... the lady involved should have known to take the high road also, but I do know at times when reality slaps us in the face and catch us off guard, flesh gets the best of us since we are human with feelings after all.

      Remember every family every race every country has ignorant people. Picket the establishment if you choose but don't punish every expat for one bad apple. We as BVIslanders have a long history of being loving and warm people, this is why some Expats move to the BVI after just one land trip or single cruise.

      Thank you "White Expat" for your post. Brothers and Sisters let's continue to engage in civil conversation with one another. Matter of fact shame the manager by insisting he have tea with you or the Stoutts. We don't know the source of that man's anger he is carry around or history and one of us can be the one to help him let go of whatever heavy burden or neglect that has left him with this deep scar of anger. I am sure it has absolutely nothing to do with any of us..maybe lack of love as a child...show him love until he cries and change his ways! That is what God does for us every day that he allows us to wake up in the morning in spite of our ourselves, even the miserable ones among us..He just keeps loving us and waiting patiently for us to change our bad ways.
  • Arrogance (12/01/2017, 08:41) Like (40) Dislike (27) Reply
    This stout woman should no better. She cannot simply sit on the furniture and pretend that it is ok. Sit on the beach, swim in the ocean but respect private property! Sounds like another case of BVI born-here syndrome which is going to destroy this country. It has been predicted by the prophets..
    • @White Expat (12/01/2017, 09:38) Like (6) Dislike (9) Reply
      I agree with you Arrogance. Both the manager and the Stoutts should sit down and break bread together so this doesn't get out of hand.
  • ....... (12/01/2017, 09:38) Like (9) Dislike (9) Reply
    He brought his pig to a fine market. He messed with the wrong bunch. All you have to do is stand your ground. It's that simple. Legally they can't do you anything. I have always said if they ever come to me with that crap (can't use their beach) it will make the news in one way or the other. I don't know why you all feel intimidated by these people in our own country. THEY CAN'T DO US NOTHING.
  • Afu (12/01/2017, 10:29) Like (11) Dislike (7) Reply
    Go Myrtle Go!!!
  • Well Suh (12/01/2017, 11:28) Like (7) Dislike (6) Reply
    I sure would like see what happen she take her people to Cane and just sit in that mans furniture. He take over every inch of beach when cruise ship in no one stop that.
  • niky (12/01/2017, 11:52) Like (18) Dislike (8) Reply
    Come on people. The manager cannot tell you to get out of the water and that you can't use the beach, if he did then he is wrong but I also believe that this family read the news about other locals being denied access to the beaches and they wanted to get their 15 minutes of fame. I go to the beach all the time and I bring my own chairs and umbrella with me. The family was wrong if they refused to move from the occupied chairs since they belonged to the hotel. And its not like it was 3 or 5 people there. We need to learn to respect people's property. This lady talking about she was ready to slap the manager? Mrs myrtle shame on you. Now you received the attention you looking for so now what??
  • (12/01/2017, 12:14) Like (15) Dislike (4) Reply
    Lessons being WELL LEARNED to all of us natives. Expecially in Virgin Gorda, - A word of advice to all my natives in VG. When you DRINK, PARTY, LIME, and SELL YOUR LAND to the DEVIL instead of your own natives born here, the outcome of that behavior brings SHAME, HATRED, DISDAIN and FATALIZES all of us natives. This is an " AR¥&N NATION " waiting to happen.
  • I read (12/01/2017, 18:28) Like (18) Dislike (0) Reply
    Just check the management replies to complaints on the restaurant on Trip Advisor. Never seen such downright nastiness. As someone who deals with tourists here I will not be recommending it.
  • Another whitey (12/01/2017, 19:41) Like (18) Dislike (7) Reply
    White migrant worker here. I am sorry this Manager was obnoxious to this family. I am not sure he is racist but he clearly didnt handle the situation with grace and care. I do wonder whether this family's emotions were running high due to importance of their gathering and perhaps this impacted their reaction. I hate all these comments about apartheid and racist whites. I come from a predominantly white country: if I was racist I think it would be unlikely I would move to a place where most people are black and where I was in the minority, with no vote, no permanent right of residency. Lets be honest, there are nasty people from all backgrounds.This debate highlights a genuine issue though: the encroachment of public spaces is a problem globally. We the people need to assert our rights and not be squeezed out by the rich regardless of their racial background.
    • Another Honky (14/01/2017, 23:45) Like (1) Dislike (2) Reply
      @ Another Whitey. You're so full of SH!T.
      • Another whitey (16/01/2017, 15:14) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        Are you saying I am full of sh1t because you assume all us white folks must think the same way about things that you do?? Sorry darling, I try to treat all people with respect and kindness, sorry if you do not. I am well aware of my white privilege and the lucky chance of nature I had to be born white with all the benefits that come with that. I wonder, are you?
  • You think (12/01/2017, 23:56) Like (13) Dislike (1) Reply
    You all think you have problems now? When Tortola turn into China town, those Chinese is going to run all of you away.
  • I feel like a drink (13/01/2017, 15:41) Like (1) Dislike (5) Reply
    Sugar mill bar anyone???


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