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Ray George asks why OC has not paid its class C shareholders

George (middle) ensuring some documents are signed by Premier Ralph T O’Neal (left) and Minister for Communications and Works Julian Fraser at a BiWater contract signing earlier in the year. Photo: VINO
The Baughers Bay plant.
The Baughers Bay plant.
ROAD TOWN, Tortola, VI - BiWater’s Project Coordinator Ray George is questioning why the officials of Ocean Conversion (OC) have not paid its Class C shareholders when the company was doing very well to the tune of paying and sharing approximately US$26M between 2005 and 2007.

Instead he claims; he along with other Government officials is being blamed for the non-payments.

George said he is in possession of the relevant documents, based on Consolidated Water Company Limited, and its affiliate Ocean Conversion (BVI) Limited, Annual Filing Form 10K, with the Securities and Exchange Commission in Washington, D.C., (SEC).

The Coordinator explained that in OC, there are three classes of shareholders – ‘Class A’ comprise of 555,000 shares owned solely by Consolidated Water Company Limited (Cayman Islands); ‘Class B’ 555,000 owned by a few select Virgin Islanders, including members of investment club and ‘Class C’ includes 165,000 shares also owned by other Virgin Islanders.

According to him, between 2005 and 2007, the gross income for OC was $24,719, 101, and the company had a total net profit of $10,104,488.

“During that time, they also paid $4,335,171 in dividends and paid a total of $435,253 in interest expense to Consolidated Water for a loan. OC also collected US1,145,221, in interest income….during the same period also, the company enjoyed $1,377,000 in profit sharing, along with $630,000 principle loan payment to Consolidated Water and $1,447,363 in management fees to Consolidated Water. The OC also paid out $447, 809 in directors’ fees,” George stated.

Furthermore, he disclosed that OC had at the end of December 31, 2007, a profit sharing obligation (not paid) of $3,250,256 and Loans Payable to Consolidated Water in the amount of $2,875,000.

“…that the total amount that was actually paid plus obligations between Consolidated Water and OC between three years was $26, 415, 408, while the Class C shareholders received nothing,” he divulged.

George disclose further that “on May 25, 2005, several months before the tender was issued for sale of Water by the NDP Government, Ocean Conversion entered into a loan agreement with Consolidated Water Company Limited, which owns 50 percent of the voting shares of Ocean Conversion (BVI) Limited, for an amount of US$3M for the design and construction of Ocean Conversion’s Bar Bay Plant.

“The Loan payment was originally due and payable on June 1, 2007, with an interest rate of London Interbank Offered Rate (LIBOR) plus 3.5 percent. The loan which was amended on August 24, 2007, only four days after the NDP lost 2007, General Elections, is secured by a debenture or charge on all of the assets of Ocean Conversion (BVI) Limited thus severely exposing the Company and placing the “local” company in foreign hands,” he stated.

George continued: “Perhaps even more troubling and disturbing is the two main conditions for not defaulting on the loans and placing the company totally in foreign hands. A direct quote from Consolidated Water Company’s SEC Filings Annual Form 10-K, concerning its Affiliate, Ocean Conversion (BVI) Limited reads as follows: “The Company’s failure to obtain new agreements with the BVI government for its Baugher’s Bay and Bar Bay plants, constituted an event of default under the loan agreement as of December 31, 2009.”

In other words, the project coordinator pointed out Ocean Conversion did the unthinkable and signed a loan agreement with Consolidated Water Company which would put them in default of the loan and possible loss and liquidation of all of their assets if they did not sign both Bar Bay and Baugher’s Bay Plant.

“The NDP Government left power on August 20, 2007, with OC not having any agreements signed thus leaving them and their investors, especially the Class C investors, severely exposed, desperate, facing closure and at the mercy and the knees of Consolidated Water Company Limited. Consolidated Water Company responded to Ocean Conversation’s desperation by extending waivers or in this case, stays of execution to Ocean Conversion by increasing the Loan rate to OC on August 2009 to LIBOR plus 5.5 percent and further increase of 7.5 percent only six months later on January 2010.”

“ These and other acts driven by desperation led OC to turn off the water on residents of the BVI on March 29, 2010, as Consolidated Water continued to turn up the pressure and effort to protect their interest in OC and the stop the severe decreases in their stock price, which affected other investments in the Bahamas and Cayman Islands, in particular. The ruling Virgin Islands Party Government saved or bailed out Ocean Conversion when they signed the Water Purchase Agreement with Ocean Conversion on March 4, 2010, for the OC’S Bar Bay Plant thus ensuring the survival of OC and its investors,” George said.

According to him, another significant event that occurred in the year 2005, is also taken directly from the Consolidated Water Company Limited’s December 31, 2010, Annual Form 10-K Filings with the SEC in Washington D.C.

The filing states, “In 2005 the company entered into a twenty-five lease agreement with Bar Bay Estate Holdings Limited (“Bar Bay Holdings”), a private company incorporated in the Territory of the British Virgin Islands, pursuant to which the Company agreed to lease from Bar Bay Holdings approximately 50,000 square feet of land on Tortola, British Virgin Islands on which a seawater desalination plant and wells are constructed. Under the terms of the lease agreement, a lease premium payment of $750,000 was made on June 10, 2005, annual lease and easement payments of $17,662 ($15,020 through May 2010) are due annually and royalty payment s of 2.87% of annual sales, as defined in the lease agreement, are payable quarterly.”

Class C shareholders include teachers union and other VI residents and citizens.

61 Responses to “Ray George asks why OC has not paid its class C shareholders ”

  • Eureka Moment (04/11/2011, 12:38) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Ah going study this one, ah tired wait for this kinda info.
    • the rock (04/11/2011, 23:35) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      ray is a kiss a$$$..we all know this... a looser when it comes to election..poor rudy pooh!
  • talk dat (04/11/2011, 12:41) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    its bout time some one tell it like it is
  • history books (04/11/2011, 12:57) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    but is Ray a civil servant? Lord if NDP gets in his ass is tost, for they have a history of vitiermization!
  • Nerve (04/11/2011, 12:58) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    You have nerve. You come here, get a contract under the most dubious circumstances and then ask questions about why OC has not paid share holders? HELLOOOOO OC had to put the law on the government to get its money and is till awaiting payment of funds. Unlike out current government, you should pay out with what you have, not what you should have. If our government had learned some good financial management and honesty, our country would not be broke and you would not be in a position to criticize any BVI company because you would not be here!!!!
    • Amen To Dat (04/11/2011, 14:07) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      He is right with what he is saying, when people talk the truth you blog a lot of fart about them and what you dont know. I am a class C shareholder and none of us has gotten paid from them is only the Class A and their friends in Class B getting paid. So dont even start bout Ray Nerve and whether he is a Civil servant or not Right is right. We paid our hard earned money to buy our shares so we should be getting our dividends too.
      • Period Cramps (04/11/2011, 15:27) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        Hush your lying a$$$! What OC shareholders have to do with the general public? That has NOTHING to do with it! You all just grasping at straws! I could give a ... about shareholders! I want to know about the quality of the Biwater pipes that we will be bathing and drinking from when they finished their project. Answer that question Ray! You are a big lump of turd, waste of time! VIP ditched you to the curb then give you this made up position, all of a sudden you have a voice? Sit your self down man, let's talk about what really affecting the Territory!! If the shareholders in OC were wronged, they have legal recourse! If a company owed me money as a shareholder, I would put my Lawyer on them. The question is, why haven't we heard about OC investors putting lawyers on them? Because YOU ARE LYING HAHAH!!! I'm sure you don't even know one person with OC Class C shares. So, get to the point, let's talk about what really matters to us! Tell us about those pipes and that contract. Tell us man!!! Story jump out last night and ya'll wasn't expecting that!!
        • same thing (04/11/2011, 23:02) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
          Ray boss you made Meade run home form work to go reply on the NDP site Platinum well saw
        • Strupes (05/11/2011, 11:57) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
          Quite a few Class C share owners known, but what is amazing is that when you start looking for names on paper for the Class C all you seeing is a dash. Them calling we a Dash. Dash, dash, dash. Dumb, A$$, Should, Hush! We have no say.
    • MY God (04/11/2011, 21:28) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      It is so amazing. Everyone was waiting for the Prophet to come but because he ain't say what they wanted him to say everything quiet. Well I hear whay he say. He say that the people who don't want the water quality to improve and to stop the sewerage from being dumped into the sea has made a covernant (pact) with the Devil. WHY THE BISHOP AIN'T TALKING THAT.
      • VIP All the Way! (06/11/2011, 11:12) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        Well I been wondering what the prophet had to say. I too notice that them gone quiet and that is noticeable. I hate to say it but if he a true prophet he would tell NDP what really costing them the big win them want. Hint tis them core supporters.
    • Man on the Ground (05/11/2011, 05:45) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      The truth always hurts huh. Tell them Ray, expose their wicked ways and deeds and i do hope that Cromwell read all this info, he the one always making the most noise about OC and BW
  • Skittles (04/11/2011, 13:18) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Ray go sit yo backside now with you halfazz attempt to keep VIP in. You weren't wanted when you ran for politics so no-one wants to hear you now.
    • Really (04/11/2011, 14:25) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      He must go sit down eh, The class C shareholders deserve to ask for dem hard earned money. Now to hear $26M in (2) two, one then two years. Massah!
      • Tell the truth (04/11/2011, 18:11) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        we the people will not sit down some body must go to jail for this you can not thief people and then up and down sayin and buggin out dat people tek things from you...i want my money from OC!
      • the rock (04/11/2011, 23:38) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        YES HE SHOULD SIT DOWN..HE IS A LOOSER..AND SO IS YOU..
  • BREAKING NEWS!! (04/11/2011, 14:02) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    We all know who put you up to this Ray!! OK, if you want to talk about who owe who, please tell us why Gov't owe contractors and us the people 27 million dollars?????????????????????????
  • Period Cramps (04/11/2011, 14:19) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Ray George move your dead a$$$$! Anybody listening to you? SCHUUPS!! Desperation!!
  • Caramel (04/11/2011, 15:06) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Looks like VIP put ray to this, why now... We in 2011 going to 2012. We the Voters have our head on.
    • DarkVader (05/11/2011, 07:06) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Ray really stupid. He forgot when he lost the election(and all of his life savings along with it) how VIP kicked him on the side. Finally ofter years out of work, Julian give him a job and now I guess Ray have to kiss up to hi..I tell ya...some of us.
  • Period Cramps (04/11/2011, 15:23) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Ray don't come here with no half-a$$ed BS at the last hour! Where the hell this story comes from out of the blue? Are you trying to take the attention off the news we got last night when OJ spoke about the old pipes Biwater intend to use? Mr. George, Please address that issue and not private business! Let the shareholders deal with OC how they see fit! Now, you have a mandate to deal with WE THE PEOPLE! You're not a damn lawyer or consultant so keep out the people's business. You are hired by Government to be held accountable by the people. You have seniority as it relates to the biwater contract. So now, please tell us if OJ was right when he told us that you all will damn well POISON PEOPLE with those old pipes! That's what we want to know. What damn shareholder nonsense you talking about!!
    • Exactly (05/11/2011, 11:25) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Exactly!!! What platform is Ray speaking from.....who appointed him champion of the shareholder rights? The shareholders are well informed and already know that the main reason they aint get no dividend is because Government was not paying OC. For years from 1997 * 2005 all the OC shareholders was happy because they used to get such good dividends. So why all of a sudden you think OC going to just stop this trend and start to swindle the people money?? Be smart people and think about what changed??? The only thing that changed was that Government stop paying and so they could not pay out dividends. Also if you check you will find out that whenever OC get a big payment from Government they does turn around and pay out a dividend. Don't mind Ray and his nonsense....most of that money he talkin about never get paid to OC. and why he stop at 2007...why he aint go on to 2008 - 2009 to show the big losses made and accountin g adjustments made because OC was not getting paid. Now Ray you should worry about things like the iron pipes and also how BiWater make every body believe ....the Minister and them all out there saying that for the first time in history Government will me metered at the Reservoir but when you read the contract it actually states that Government will be metered at the Plant just like what was happening all the time. How may times BiWater have to fool them off for them to see that them is a set of broke crooks out to just swindle money from our poor leaders who have no vision and see it fit and in the best interests of a country to disenfranchise a company majority owned by BV Islanders in favour of a company owned by a rich foreigner when at the end of the day his cost is $64 million dollars higher!!! Lets talk about that Ray.....that is what you need to focus on.
      • Oh Boy (06/11/2011, 07:45) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        Dividends is a distribution of a portion of a company's earnings, decided by the board of directors, to a class of its shareholders. Did you read the information and the SEC files, and comprehended it? First, it doesn't matter who didn't or did pay the company, the FACT remains that the company had huge profits. So huge that the very Director increased his salary. Another thing, all those shares A,B and C could have been labelled voting shares, there's no set rule that Class C had to be non-voting ones, and based on the claim that all were reaping benefits then they should have been provided with the opportunity to voice their opinions, or cast a votes, as to where the company was going. But, Non-Voting Shares do not carry a vote in the normal running of the corporation. They are often paid dividends but at the sole discretion of the Board of Directors. Hear this, at the discretion of the Board of Directors - Who are the Board of Directors we want to know today Sunday! And don't lie because it got to go back to Consolidated Water, which operates "water production and/or distribution facilities in the Cayman Islands, Belize, the British Virgin Islands, and The Commonwealth of The Bahamas". This is not my quote, this is Consolidated Water Co. quote. So first of all, although Class A and B getting their shares, they are not really in control here. Then again the Director for consolidated is the Director for Ocean Conversion. Geez um bred, all kind of thing going on here.
  • YuK (04/11/2011, 15:39) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    The Cat out the bag now! It's about time yall tell people like it is. This is greedinest to the highest degree. If it was my hard earned money they had swindle, All hell would have broke lose!
    • the rock (04/11/2011, 23:39) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      what would u have done u damn fool!!
    • Beyonce (06/11/2011, 11:16) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      If it was my money I tell you I wasnt tekking it so at all. God has been good to me cuz I wasnt tekking it so.
  • SEC (04/11/2011, 15:53) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Oh yes, I will check this out for myself. Documents filed with the SEC are a public record. You all should have make this known to the public earlier, anyway, better late than never. Set ah theives!!!
  • Real Talk (04/11/2011, 16:21) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    If OC shareholders have an issue there are endless Lawyers that could be contacted. The fact that we haven't heard this means that Ray is just chatting a pile of sh$$$!! Instead of worrying about how bad Biwater is for the country he talking sh$$$ about shareholders!!!!
  • Watching on.. (04/11/2011, 16:43) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Is timeee the cat get let out the bag man..This is the truth..NDP keeping noise about Fraser and and BIWater...why?? Because they aint getting profit from it. The investment club holds shares in OC. Class A!!! and a selected few in Class B...Wha happen to class C??? And dem pulling so much money. And when things go sour they turn everything over on the government. They aint take a blame for NOTHING! Everything is government fault. Pay the people!! I glad the real figures come out. AND I BET..Bviplatinum dont post this story..watch n see..BET!!!
  • right on (04/11/2011, 16:48) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    How much they paying you Ray?
    • facts for ayo (04/11/2011, 18:30) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      dem aint payin he ah ting he love his country and the truth and tis bout time we the people who have been fooled for a year and more hear the other side BAM
  • Hope BVI (04/11/2011, 19:12) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    the truth is the truth OC ripped off the people. but no one wants to talk about it not even the class c share holders because they are friends and family. if it was fraser we would have heard the news.
    • True Hope (05/11/2011, 04:35) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      You ain't heard no news because there is no news to be heard. Ocean Conversion did not rip off its shareholders. Two dividends were paid in Dec 2005 and April 2006 but after this things started to go downhill and ...............you can't pay dividends without money. Don't mind all the noise.......... from 2006 Government start to pay Ocean Conversion at a rate below cost. Take sense out of nonsense...if you getting paid $6.88 for every thousand gallons and your expenses are greater than that where will you find the money to pay dividends. You have to struggle to stay alive.....That is what Ocean Conversion was doing over the years in question...just struggling to stay alive. Ray pointing out the sales and profits recorded for those years but where is the information about the big write-offs made in later years because Government would not may and especially after the court ruled in 2009 on an amount of $10 million that Government had to pay. To date only half of that amount has been paid.
  • Sly (04/11/2011, 19:22) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    It very interesting to see what the young man put forward is public record once it's is file With the SEC, But we all here giving keyboard licks to him for brining this to light cause some of us as young bvislanders don't want to take the time and read and educate ourselves. We take everything that people say as truth and not investigate or look into the facts. Fact is that the investment club start off with all good intention but the almighty dollar got in the way. There needed a easy way to make some cash so there call a FIRE sale this is when common stocks or non voting stocks are sold to the public in order to raise cash. Thinking back now I wonder if the shareholders are getting any thing from CCT.
    • Not Sly (04/11/2011, 22:20) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Sly....If Ray was telling the whole story then his post was to be commended however it is filled with half truths and omissions in an effort to just mislead. A SEC filing is a extensive multi page document. Ray has plucked a few figures out of the document and massaged them to try to support his views. He shows the sales made and the profits but neglects to advise that a significant amount of those sales were never collected because Government never paid. At one point Government owed Ocean Conversion over $18 million dollars. Also it is also a fact that for many years Government was paying OC at $6.88 which was below the cost to produce water as stated in the court decision. So how could dividends be paid in a situation like that. Also the public was not sold any non-voting shares. So your fire sale story is wrong. There were two different times when shares related to Ocean Conversion were sold to the public. First in 1997 and the persons who invested then between 1997 and 2005 earned over 300% in returns. Then there was another sale in early 2005 and in December 2005 and April 2006 small dividends were paid however after this is when the trouble started and Government stopped paying so there was really no money with which to pay dividends. So the BVI Investment Club started off with good intentions and still has good intentions...the dollar did not get in the way...Government...got in the way and created the debacle that we now have where the actions of government has taken away more than 2/3rds of the capacity and value of Ocean Conversion a company that was 57% locally owned and significantly reduced its future dividend potential all in favor of a totally foreign company
  • Fed up (04/11/2011, 20:27) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Ray George needs to worry about his own finances and answering the publics questions on that Bi-Water deal
  • The Truth (04/11/2011, 21:52) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    It is amazing how so many people claim to be talking facts yet still get it wrong. This is the absolute Truth about the Ocean Conversion (OC) share situation. Yes it is true OC has three classes of shares 555,000 Class A Voting Shares owned by Consolidated Water of the Cayman Islands (CWCO) 555,000 Class B Voting Shares owned by Sage Water Holdings Ltd of the BVI (SWHL) 165,000 Class C Non - Voting Shares owned by SWHL -------------- 1,275,000 -------------- But here is where the truth ends. SWHL is ultimately owned 73% by members of the BVI Investment Club (BVIIC) and 27% by members of the BVI public (the Public). So what does this tell you .....that both BVIIC and the Public own the Class B and Class C shares jointly. However Ray would lead you to believe that the BVIIC owns the Class B shares and the public was sold and owns the Class C shares which are inferior. This is totally incorrect. So if this is the basis of his arguments and this is wrong what does this tell you about the rest of it. He has merely taken certain information from the SEC filings but leaves out the remaining information which tells the whole story and is trying to confuse the public. Do not be fooled!!!
    • Strupes (05/11/2011, 12:03) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Will not be fooled. We will read the files. So, thanks for your information to add with it.
  • peter crumble (04/11/2011, 22:24) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    i like how he exposed their nasty backside
  • NDP (04/11/2011, 22:27) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Ray does not understand distribution of divided. The Class A Shareholders gets their dividend before any other Class. It is not our fault that we own the majority of the A Shares and will get our money first. The Investment Club is about self first and others after. When the NDP gets back in Govt the C Shareholders will get their shares then. We will get rid of Biwater and contract Ocean Conversion. Our hands are tied until then.
  • X NDP supporter (05/11/2011, 01:17) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Was with the Red Team but after I have read the SEC article I cannot trust those selfish NDP. Now I see why they been attacking Fraser. I now see that if we vote out the VIP this country is doomed under the NDP Government. Please don't vote for NDP. I voting for Fraser and the VIP all the way .
    • Hoodwinked!!! (05/11/2011, 11:05) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      You would be making the biggest mistake of your life.....you would have allowed yourself to be hoodwinked by a set of lies. This is exactly the plan............why else you think they come out with this at the last minute.....just to confuse people, Be wise and keep your head on and vote NDP all the way.
      • Oh Boy (05/11/2011, 16:08) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        So even when people finish reading the SEC files, and find out what Ray saying is the truth, and comment from facts and findings you all still saying they are lies. I read a lot of the SEC files and so far Ray on target. Will get back in a while. I have more to read
  • Cici (05/11/2011, 05:35) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    This can't be the same Ray who near talk the life out of me about how crooked our government is....remember that Ray??? I barely got a word in edgewise. You like to hear yourself talk boy
    • Obama (06/11/2011, 11:20) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      I went University with Ray and he led a manufacutring project in our cost accounting class. What a class, I had to study for my grade and with Ray leading the project, I got a A in the class. Ray aint no idiot in Accounting. Money in Tola is all but Ray is no idiot. Nuff said
      • at obama (06/11/2011, 12:31) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        Are you kidding. Ask Ray what accounting qualification he earned since that accounting class. Lol. Lol. The Boy knows nothing about accounting. These bunch of bush accountants we have around here, posing as if they relly understand anything about accounting and auditing.
  • Period Cramps (05/11/2011, 09:44) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    I am glad to see people put the real facts out there! Ray doesn't understand that when people account for 'sales', he needs to check to see whether the company was actually 'paid' and paid in FULL for those sales! This same Government admitted that the NDP Government lowered OC's payments from over $20.00 to about $6.00. So how then, can the NDP Government have special interests in OC, when they were the ones that lowered it and put it in court for a decision to be made on the plant? That looks more like honesty and transparency. We all know Fraser put Ray up to this nonsense at the last minute because Kevin burst his bubble about those dangerous old time pipes that biwater has brought to our shores. NOWWWW we understand why Biwater could sound so good, NOWWWW we understand why Biwater appears to be cheap! They're using cheap, hazardous products to distribute our drinking and bath water? HELL NO!! Now because Fraser knows that's the truth, he digs up some nonsense to take away the attention. The real question is, when last we heard anything about the OC shareholder issu? Over a year ago!! Has anybody heard of legal action taken against OC for monies? NO!! Does that mean the shareholders are stupid? Apparently Ray and VIP thinks so! I think it means OC has provided them with sufficient evidence regarding the situation and further, they probably received dividends but VIP will lie no matter what. So Ray, go sit down! You tell us about the Biwater pipes! I could give a rat's a$$$ about no damn shareholders! Tell me about the pipes that will distribute ALL of our water!
    • help us lord (05/11/2011, 23:20) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      come on OJ hush your looser backside....Ray boss you are on to something...i smell a rat
  • in the news (05/11/2011, 11:58) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Ray you hit the nail on the head..keep tell we the facts we will name you the fact man @...them NDP cowbird need to go sit down
  • PERSIA (05/11/2011, 14:56) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Ray boss you have them running up and down getting rady to response on the NDP propogada mechine Platinum...tis bout time the truth comes out..set of greedy wicked people...how could I even vote for NDP-OC?
  • Well Sah (05/11/2011, 17:19) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    What does OC have to do with NDP? As far as i am aware there are persons from the entire territory in OC not just NDP.....bull crap
  • Facts (05/11/2011, 18:53) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Ray, dont even understand what he reading. I know for a fact that he dumb as a door nail when it comes to understanding financials. He has conveniently pulled whatever facts he wants from a significant document in order to spin the facts. Moroever, he is abolutely conflicted as he is on BIWater and Government's payroll, and therefore cannot be taken seriously in his interpretation of the SEC filing. Here is a simply fact Ray, one which is undisputable. I was one who bought shares in 2005/2006, presumably class C shares. I for one have recieved 3 sets of dividends. And every other Class C shareholders have had this also. But guess what. It took Gov't paying the long outstanding sums in order for us to recieve that dividend. This is why we only recieved it in 2010 and onwards. Ray if you had any real sense you will know that revenue and profit aint the same thing, moroever, dividends have to be declared ot be paid. When they were declared, they were paid. I wait patiently for BIwater's. But the kinda crap, YOU, Vernon, Lorrie, Lucky, Dancia and Fraser negotiate in that BI water contract, our government will be raped over and over, and thats why BIwater, if they ever offer any shares will be able to pay some dividends.
  • Truth (05/11/2011, 20:53) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    The ACCOUNTANT just phoned into EDMUND'S SHOW AND CALL YOU OUT ON YOUR LIES MR. RAY GEORGE.
    • Hmmm (06/11/2011, 07:56) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      It then shows that the ACCOUNTANT telling lies too, because what Ray said taken from the SEC files. All right then. Ans what you saying after that is that the SEC files lieing too. Which means for sure that somehow we have no control on this side, only making a salary from profits, well at least Class A and Class B, and these are our people and we happy for them. But, this situation gone beyond just them. Please ask the local ACCOUNTANT to post today Sunday the balance sheets for the BVI side. We want to compare the figures with Consilidated Water's published SEC files. And we want to see an audited one - cause you all ain't getting out of this one this easy. This ridiculous.
    • Fire Fire (06/11/2011, 11:21) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      SEC filings are verifiable! Ray aint lie on this thing!
  • Poor boy (06/11/2011, 09:43) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Look how a little research on the net start such a heated debate how man of you went to the website listed before posting all the information is there very interesting reading so lets stop for a second and look at it a other way BVI investment club got hood wink from the mother company of ocean conversation they are only getting pennies on the dollar for they investment thats my take on it
    • Tola Elite (06/11/2011, 11:26) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      I actually believe that the parent company use em and leave um for real. But look what dem do with the money......buy village cay, treasure isle, payout hush money n divorce settlement after 5 months of marriage, buy house in poor USA, airfare weekly, showing offffffffff and offffffff! I sorry to say but we got a full decade at a minimum with the recession just u check the news and BVI is a part of the GLOBAL economy! Reality check. Party done, tis time to be resourceful n your own lil life!
  • zoe (06/11/2011, 22:48) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    ray george bouy you got balls


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