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'If police alone could make VI safe, then US would be the safest place’- Bishop Cline

- says USA has the most police yet continues to face high crime rates
Bishop of the New Life Baptist Church in Duff’s Bottom, Tortola says the police alone cannot make the Virgin Islands safe, rather it is the people who must come together and play a part to solve crime for the good of the community. Photo: Facebook/File
The Bishop complained that the local crime rate continues to be the highest ever with the local jails overflowing with young men and that something must be done. Photo: VINO/File
The Bishop complained that the local crime rate continues to be the highest ever with the local jails overflowing with young men and that something must be done. Photo: VINO/File
DUFF'S BOTTOM, Tortola, VI – Former senior pastor of the New Life Baptist Church in Duff’s Bottom, Tortola, Bishop John I. Cline says the police alone cannot make the Virgin Islands safe, rather it is the people who must come together and play a part for the good of the community.

Mr Cline was at the time speaking in a social media live video on November 10, 2023, via the Facebook platform. 

The 'man of the cloth' said crimes in the VI are mostly a precursor of persons looking for a quick dollar where deals often go wrong, which leads to gun crimes and violence in the community. 

He added that the VI cannot continue to just police its problems, rather, all must come together, including families, to raise their children right. 

“If police alone could bring peace and safety to our country, then [United States of] America would be the safest place in the world because they have more police than anybody else, but yet they have more crimes,” he said.

Grassroots measures will make VI safe - Bishop Cline 

“I don’t care how many police we get, if we don’t get back to the grass root things that brought this society from poverty into prosperity, that allowed us to be a peaceful and safe country… is not police help us to do that,” he said.

The Bishop complained that the local crime rate continues to be the highest ever, with the local prison overflowing with young men, and that something must be done. 

Meanwhile, he also called on the VI’s caucasian population to play in role in helping to reduce crime in the VI. “Don’t think you can just turn a blind eye and think just black people, young black men killing themselves,” he said.

He reiterated that all in the VI must come together and play a part to save the VI from crime and violence, and that this includes turning to God.

27 Responses to “'If police alone could make VI safe, then US would be the safest place’- Bishop Cline”

  • Hmm (16/11/2023, 12:11) Like (18) Dislike (6) Reply
    So be like you n become a pastor n take 10% n sell people lies … you was looking quick money also you just selling lies
  • confused (16/11/2023, 13:15) Like (3) Dislike (2) Reply
    What exactly is meant by this?:

    Meanwhile, he also called on the VI’s caucasian population to play in role in helping to reduce crime in the VI. “Don’t think you can just turn a blind eye and think just black people, young black men killing themselves,” he said.
  • Native Senior Citizen of the British Virgin Islands (16/11/2023, 13:21) Like (1) Dislike (1) Reply
    John Cline, former Senior Bishop of the New Life Baptist Church, BVI. Tell us the real reasons why, after so many years of hypocritical dealing, in many, and my opinion, you chose this time to play play the role spoke person, on the subject of Godly morals?

    Sir, the God that you claimed your are serving ears remain open to all who call to Him in faith believing. I urge to call on Him to shield you against all the problem that you are facing. You are unable to fix your own problems without His Devine intervention, neither can others nor can I do.

    Talk more to God in faith believing.
    Talk less to humans to attract their attention deceiving.

    Pray without ceasing.

  • mix up (16/11/2023, 13:22) Like (4) Dislike (1) Reply
    Young people disillusioned with the lies the church have been pushing have turned to crime in despair. The solution lies in telling them the truth. They will not be bulldozed into accepting hypocrisy.
  • police (16/11/2023, 13:32) Like (3) Dislike (2) Reply
    Police alone can deal with crime people get shot and tell the police who shot them but they do anything on one getting pay from them let them do there job they getting more and more money to work. Them island man come here to look woman and dress up sharp were they come from to good life
  • first of all (16/11/2023, 14:10) Like (4) Dislike (2) Reply
    We are not talking about the US, this is not the US. Focus on what is going on in our own backyards.
  • for real (16/11/2023, 14:28) Like (6) Dislike (2) Reply
    The people here only knows how to hide and peep from behind their curtains and talk the talk but when it is time to speak out ALL YOU HEAR IS CRICKETS. They want CINDY, HERITAGE, KISHMA AND PICKO TO STAND IN THE FOREFRONT LINE AND TAKE THE BULLET FOR THEM. NO CAN DO.
  • Whytepersonhere (16/11/2023, 14:33) Like (11) Dislike (1) Reply
    So as a Caucasian person, can the good priest please tell me what exactly he wants me to do? I ain't shifting the product or laundering the money. Its not my cousins / brothers / friends doing it either. Feels like this self proclaimed Man of god never misses a chance to have a dig at white people. This crime epidemic involves corrupt politicians, civil servants and law enforcement offices, and as folks round here like to continually remind me I am just a lowly migrant worker whose privilege it is to call BVI my temporary home.
  • Bush Professor (16/11/2023, 14:37) Like (8) Dislike (1) Reply
    The police mission and vision are to serve and protect. Nevertheless, it needs the public’s help in meeting its mission, ie, if you see something, say something. However, the police must have professional integrity and the public must have confidence in the police to cooperate with it. Nevertheless, the public confidence in the police vanishes when the police a) leak as a sieve, b) selectively prosecuted residents, c) politicized the force and d) weaponized the force,, e) fragmentation of the force, f) racialized the force, etc. The RVIPF suffers from all these ailments. And until it fixes these inherent problems, it will continue to flounder. Moreover, numbers don’t necessarily mean good policing, it takes good policing, community policing , to be an effective force..

    In regards to the US police forces who continue to brutalize blacks, other minorities and the marginalized, etc. This behavior goes back to policing beginning in the US. The police was commissioned to protect whites and their property, not blacks and their property. The force was rolled out to capture and return runaway slaves. Thus, the abusive mentality. All kinds of policing methodologies have been tried , ie, the broken windows theory, no tolerance for the simplest of infraction, etc. Racial profiling is still a practice and problem.
    • Ne Timeas (17/11/2023, 16:08) Like (3) Dislike (1) Reply
      To Bush Professor, the comment on the origin and purpose of policing in the US is interesting and instructive, and is indicative of the attitude and behavior of police,i.e., the intent being to protect white and their property, capture and return runaway slaves, property of slave owners, to them. Nevertheless, the racial animus of the police towards Blacks is not surprising, for race is the primary social construct in America. It is inherent in everything from A-Z and beyond. The US is a racial, caste driven society.

      For example, the US is awashed in guns; there are more guns than people in America; the US population is approximately 330 million. The US lead the industrialized and developed world/countries by several orders of magnitude in the number gun deaths and gun crimes annually. How did America get so awashed in guns and how gun ownership became a right and indentity?

      Not surprising, race was a factor. The institution of slavery and slave owners lived in constant fear of slaves revolting against them. This is why there was so much tight andc strict control of slaves. Consequently, as a protective means, every persons save for slaves, blacks, was permitted to own and bear arms. This was codified into the constitution in the 27 word 2nd Amendment, which is sacrosanct and sacrilegious to even think about amending. The US Supreme Court vehemently protect this right to own and bear arms, resulting in the epidemic of gun deaths and crimes..Other developed countries have several order of magnitudes less deaths than America. Others have waxed eloquent about the policing challenges in the BVI so I will defer to them, ie, Bush Professor, Undercover Observer, among others..
      • Diaspora 2.0 (17/11/2023, 19:50) Like (2) Dislike (1) Reply
        @Ne Timeas, good read. Indeed, the Constitution binds blacks, gun control and 2nd Amendment. The we, in ‘We the people has the right to bear arms……..” didn’t apply Blacks. In crafting the constitution, blacks were viewed as property, 3/5 of a person , and equivalent to field animals. Whites armed themselves not only to protect their person and property but also to maintain the slavery system. The White upperclass have amass and control most of the wealth, power, resources, businesses, and the levers of government. And the Supreme Court protects whites upperclass status, keeping blacks as permanent underclass, powerless, noncompetitive and hopeless.
  • jack@$$ (16/11/2023, 14:49) Like (2) Dislike (1) Reply
    I agree with the fact that police can't stop crime that has to come from a community that refuses to tolerate it. But there's also a thinking out there that we all know who are doing crime and won't report it. I don't think that is true. We don't know who are doing criminal things, we know who did criminal things in the past as the police know also but unless we are involved in the crime I think it's unfair to think that we all know who is doing what. I go from home to work to home, sometimes the store and whatever errand I have to run. My days on the block ended in my youth, I'm out there minding my own business and trying to get my bills paid and avoid drama. There will always be crime but we have to discourage the things we can discourage in the youth.
  • Yes to UK (16/11/2023, 15:33) Like (3) Dislike (5) Reply
    Don’t like the man but he is right.
  • Have you seen? (16/11/2023, 18:22) Like (4) Dislike (3) Reply
    Have you seen how US police treat black people, safe you say?
  • Really (16/11/2023, 19:25) Like (1) Dislike (2) Reply
    Another woke mind spitting venom.Next thing he's going to demand Cedar to change their circulum for the pre schoolers and teach them critical race theory..and the other place up in the hills.Jesus man... stop watch PPL.The man and woman playing bad..running down money..getting shot... pimping..running clubs is your whoever them put to do them bidding..bye. something about it salty one.
  • Undercover Observer r (16/11/2023, 19:40) Like (3) Dislike (0) Reply
    There is a huge gulf, a void, between the working relationship between the police and the public. The public lacks trust, confidence, etc, in the professionalism, competence, and ethical performance and behavior, etc., of tge police. This huge gulf between the police and the public must be bridged and quickly to arrest the rise in violent, property, gun crimes, etc. It is going to be heavy lift to bridge the gulf. The problem is not only just between the public and the police but also there are internal friction among segments of the force. There are supposedly three camps in the force, viz, a) a small cadre of local officers, b) cadre of officers mostly from other Caribbean Islands, etc., and c) a cadre of White UK officers who it is alleged is paid more than Black officers,though they may be of equal rank, and they only report to CoP Mark Collins, not to senior Black officers. If this is a fairy tale, it needs to be cleared up soonest. It may take a leadership change to right the ship, set it on course with a new direction. If Mark Collins were Black, he would have been canned by tge Governor long time ago. His unauthorized release of a video berating the BVI was equivalent to a bird foiling its nest. But it seems as if he were protected by the GoVernor a fellow Briton.. hmmm... The force must be stripped of the politicization, weaponization of the force, the perceived and alleged corrosive racial attitude, behavior and disrespect.
    • @UO (17/11/2023, 09:40) Like (2) Dislike (2) Reply
      @UO, facts, facts… hit the nail on the head, a home run, a six,…. identifying the root cause(s) of the problem(s) with the RVIPF. Racializing , politicizing, weaponizing of the force are cancers impacting the effectiveness of the force. They must be rooted out to get the force back to its mission and vision of protecting and serving. The old colonialism mentality is still lingering in the 21st Century; it too must be rooted out. But don’t wait for the for colonialist s to root it out, for it is in their DNA. The people must unite and push back against the cancer. You don’t and should not expect a person, group of people who created a problem to fix a problem. Do fishermen say their fish stinks? No. Nothing against fishermen ; it’s just an old axiom. Do you put rat to mind cheese or a fox to guard the fowl house? Nope. So why do we expect colonialists to fix themselves and the problem(s) they created? People with power rarely wake up one day and say I have too much power and want to give up some; they try to acquire more power. The people has to demand change.
  • A Capitalist Who Loves the BVI (16/11/2023, 22:45) Like (3) Dislike (1) Reply
    Whatever you think of the man for other reasons, he's correct about policing alone not being sufficient to quell crime. And the same goes for the BVI and the US - and it's Black youth in the US that, because of too few fathers in the home (single women on welfare having babies), young men are not raised properly.

    And just a note for those of you who think that in the US it's about "racism" that drives policing and police practices, Black people, are only around 13% of the U.S. population but commit around 51% of all homicides (this is a stat that NOBODY disputes, but many try to talk around by saying it's about "root causes").

    The actual "root cause" in both societies (and others plauged by youth crime) is the lack of a proper upbringing, and that youth do not fear that they will be punished; numerous studies confirm that it's not the severity, but the certainty of, punishment, that deters young offenders.
    • Yes but (17/11/2023, 09:50) Like (0) Dislike (2) Reply
      the actual "root cause" is poverty, does not matter the color of your skin, all the things people put as poverty I grew up with and my neighbourhood was filled with crime, i was even draw in to some petty stuff , the reason the US is so bad is the availability of guns. This is why we need much better border patrols to stop guns getting into the territory , think about all these new water taxis running back and forth without their boats being checked properly by customs so not to offend the spending tourists??? Where do 20 yr olds get the money to buy a $500,000 boat???
  • Ugh (17/11/2023, 09:40) Like (1) Dislike (1) Reply
    The place was safe for donkey years without policemen .What was policemen, and they were imported. did double duty in other postions. Actual polcework was scarce but none.
    This all changed with the unending import of the cursed deviled imports of neighboring locations.Every country they invade suffer acts of their frequent and compulsive cannibalism.
    Main reason for theUK and its Rushmore initiative.
    Bvi needs such an initiative as a start to advance .We sinking and will continue deeper because of the curses spilled on pur soil in every corner of these once beautiful and civilized islands of the BVI.

  • lol (17/11/2023, 11:44) Like (1) Dislike (1) Reply
    Policing is clearly just one cog in the wheel..but guess what? All the other cogs are broken off. Education, culture, family values, societal cohesiveness, the church...we can go on. BVI needs a complete revival and recapture of its soul. However our leadership is only interested in pageantry and rhetoric and nothing of substance.
  • U ALL (17/11/2023, 12:28) Like (1) Dislike (1) Reply
  • Xxx (17/11/2023, 20:40) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
    Who is this guy? What a joker!
  • R.T.REBEL (17/11/2023, 20:55) Like (0) Dislike (1) Reply
    The people who stated that they hate the VI and that the VI is going to hell. That the VI is sinking. That the VI has too much crime. That they cannot stand this backwards place.That the VI is this and that......know what? They said that 30,40,&50 years ago. And still you know what? These effers are still living here. They are locals, expats, transients, hoppers, boppers and freaks.
  • Native Tongue (18/11/2023, 08:25) Like (0) Dislike (1) Reply
    The people who stated that they hate the VI and that the VI is going to hell. That the VI is sinking. That the VI has too much crime. That they cannot stand this backwards place.......know what? They sais that 30,40,&50 years ago. And you know what? These effers are still living here. They are locals, expats, transients, hoppers and boppers.
  • Hmmmmm (21/11/2023, 13:22) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    You know what is sad. Some of you all don't like the man so much so that whatever he says you all disagree and bash him. When push comes to shove some of you all are the first persons to find him to seek help. He has a point, until the community gets involved and the corrupt police is rooted out, there will always be crime.

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