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Virgin Islanders: Discriminated & Neglected in their homeland?

Lack of enforcement of Labour Code & job preparation cited as boiling issues that needs urgent attention
Many Virgin Islanders are feeling discriminated against in the workforce and strongly recommend measures be out in place to ensure they are prepared for jobs and when qualified, are afforded the opportunity first, as stipulated in the Labour Code.
Talk Show host and taxi professional Sam Henry, along with other Virgin Islanders, believes that jobs such as Permanent Secretaries and Attorney General should be reserved for Virgin Islanders for national security reasons.
Talk Show host and taxi professional Sam Henry, along with other Virgin Islanders, believes that jobs such as Permanent Secretaries and Attorney General should be reserved for Virgin Islanders for national security reasons.
Former Legislator Alred Frett feels what is being faced by Virgin Islanders is
Former Legislator Alred Frett feels what is being faced by Virgin Islanders is "unnecessary neglect" and lack on Government's part to ensure its people are prepared to take up certain jobs in their homeland.
their people to seize opportunities to be able to look after themselves and feed themselves Natalio Wheatley believes Government has a responsibility not only by ensuring that their people have jobs but are prepared for such jobs.
their people to seize opportunities to be able to look after themselves and feed themselves Natalio Wheatley believes Government has a responsibility not only by ensuring that their people have jobs but are prepared for such jobs.
Cromwell Smith said there are laws in the Labour Code to protect Virgin Islanders in the job market but the problem lies in its enforcement.
Cromwell Smith said there are laws in the Labour Code to protect Virgin Islanders in the job market but the problem lies in its enforcement.
By CARMELITA JAMIESON

ROAD TOWN, Tortola, VI – With the unemployment rate among young Virgin Islanders a startling reality, many Virgin Islanders are of the strong view that there is consistent discrimination of them which is a major setback to securing jobs with the lack of enforcement of the Labour Code where Virgin Islanders should be the preferred employees and lack of initiative on Government’s part to offer adequate training to help qualify those who are not, to fill vacant posts.

In interviews conducted with several Virgin Islanders, many did not want their names to be published, citing issues with their jobs and discrimination for taking a public stance on the matter.

Former legislator and outspoken community activist Alred Frett said he would not call the treatment met out to many Virgin Islanders in the work force as discrimination, but "neglected unnecessarily".

Mr. Frett’s main contention is that Virgin Islanders have to be prepared to be in the work force and it was the leaders’ responsibility to ensure that is done.

“… you will either try to fit a square peg in a round whole or a situation of anonymity, they will feel by their birthright they are entitled to positions in their country whether or not they are qualified for them. It is the leaders’ responsibility to ensure that they qualify their people to take up those positions. Their failure to do so can be why they are ignored, it’s not that they are discriminated but the neglectfulness. I am not too sure that the locals are provided with the necessary tools to be able to perform in the jobs.”

Regarding whether there should be some sort of protection in the Constitution for Virgin Islanders, the outspoken businessman bluntly stated that, “the thing is that all jobs, should first of all, second and thirdly be available for BVIslanders as far as I am concerned. And I will say especially indigenous BVIslanders because those persons are not likely to have as much affiliation with outside interest as persons who may have acquired their Belongership through gifts.”

As for high profile government positions such as those of Permanent Secretaries and Attorney General, Mr. Frett believes for that national security and other reasons, it would become necessary for locally qualified Virgin Islanders to be in those “sensitive positions”.

While he sees that the onus to ensuring job security lies with Government, he also sees that Government seems to be flouting the law that they created by hiring from outside rather than go through the process of offering training to Virgin Islanders to take up the jobs if they are not qualified for them since Government has the resources to conduct such trainings.

“… it is government who select non-BVIslanders over BVIslanders. And to tie that in, this is exhibited when they entice recruitment overseas by private companies, and recruit those persons from the companies that got them in, they are continuing the same trend. When what they should be doing is training those people to do those jobs as they have the resources. And it reduces the incentives to train someone, so for government it’s easy to find someone to fill that post so there is no rush to train someone.”

Mr. Frett also found that certain jobs that are somewhat reserved for Virgin Islanders such as fishing and taxiing, the benefits from those categories are being diminished to a “point of stupidity” and one case where he will call it discrimination.

“Because BVIslanders need to get a fishing license to fish in his own backyard. At the same time, you will see the stores selling fishing tackle for tourist without the need for that requirement, that one appears to be discrimination. Because locals have to get that. If they see us fishing on the rock and we don’t have a license we can get fine.“

Government's role is to prepare Virgin Islanders for jobs

For Natalio Wheatley also known as Sowande Uhuru, he doesn’t believe that Virgin Islanders are outright being discriminated against in general but what he can say for sure is that the government has a responsibility to help their people to seize opportunities to be able to look after themselves and feed themselves economically, not only by ensuring that they have jobs but are prepared for such jobs.

He does recognise that there is a serious problem in that regard, and if he was to rate the situation with 10 being the highest, he will rate it at 20. “I think it’s definitely a problem that is contributing to the social problems we have in the community.”

“We have to make sure that our people have jobs, but also have to make sure that your people are prepared for the jobs and I think in that area we have not been as strong as we should be. Added on to that, we have employers in the country who sometimes may not want to hire Virgin Islanders for whatever reasons, I have heard it said that there are some employers who like to use the work permit as a means of power, as a means of control, creating fear in their employees and I believe that could be true in some instances,” Mr. Wheatley stated.

According to the former candidate of the People’s Patriotic Alliance (PPA) who contested the 2011 General Elections as an At Large Candidate, many employers would say that Virgin Islanders are not exhibiting the qualities required to do well in the work place, and he would say that is because of lack of preparation. However, he is confident that there are many instances of Virgin Islanders who do work hard, who are very intelligent, very skilled and perhaps they will not get some of the positions they deserve or treatment they deserve. “Sometimes we have employers who despite the talent, skill and education of Virgin Islanders in the work place they would like to give the job to somebody else.”

Going deeper into the problem itself, Wheatley said there are cases where employers try to circumvent the process that is supposed to protect Virgin Islanders, creating unfair requirements for jobs.

“For example, you might require a particular employee to speak a particular language when that language is not required for doing the job but perhaps they have someone to give the job who speaks the language.”

He also firmly supports the need for the laws to be enforced which are evident in the Labour Code. However, he also supports preparing the Territory’s students from an early stage to ensure they are qualified for the available jobs when the time comes.

“… we have to do a better job and I see the government is taking some steps in the education stem that I believe will improve the preparation of students for the jobs even though we have a very long way to go.”

One area that he believes need careful consideration urgently is the bringing in of unskilled workers when there are many unemployed youths in the Territory that can fill those positions.

Who are giving trade licenses to expats?

Controversial Talk Show host Donald deCastro who is also a businessman, said Virgin Islanders have a moral obligation to employ their own people, but they also have a responsibility to hire the best qualified people.

At the same time, deCastro said Virgin Islanders also need to qualify themselves for the jobs they want and if not, they have to be able to take entry level jobs and work themselves up.

“Once you get your foot in, you have a very good chance to get the rest of your body in. But again a lot of people here want to start at the top and the only people who start at the top are those people who dig a hole and can dig a whole deep enough to bury yourself.”

Recognising that there are cases where qualified Virgin Islanders are denied jobs, deCastro referred to it as “politricks” where he said those employers are not looking for the best qualified but who can go along with their particular agenda.

“If bring the people from outside they will just come to make the money and go and they will do whatever they want to do, they are looking for a yes person because they don’t have an obligation to this country,” he explained.

Among areas of concern for him is how it is possible for expatriates to get involved in “bed and breakfast” accommodation which is something that local people can do and should be reserved for them. “Where they get all the trade licenses to do this?”

Another area that he strongly supports for Virgin Islanders is the yachting industry where very few are getting involved.

However, while he is of the view that certain jobs must be reserved for Virgin Islanders, he also strongly supports that Virgin Islanders must want it as well, strong enough to be trained and qualify themselves for it and instances to work from the bottom up where that is required.

Lack of Labour Code enforcement

Cromwell Smith said Virgin Islanders are regularly discriminated against by employers and not just expatriate employers but local employers as well. And while the protection is there for Virgin Islanders in the Labour Code to be given the opportunity to have employment, it is due to the lack of enforcement and employers’ desire to have the control of employees and relaxation on part of labour department that the laws are not enforced.

Smith said he has encountered several young Virgin Islanders who faced discrimination.

According to Mr. Smith, popularly known as Edju En Ka and host of the talk show Umoja, he has also heard of some employers who say they will not hire Virgin Islanders because they don’t have a good work ethics, or they think they are better than anyone else.

However, the general trust of the complains that come to him seems to be regarding employers' ability to extract more work from the employees and to have that work permit control mechanism over the employee .

In addition, he said the salary an expatriate will work for, particularly Caribbean expatriates, VIslanders know that it is not enough to sustain them. “Just like other Caribbean people know but they will work two jobs or will cut back on some of the essentials of life so they can make ends meet.”

As far as the protection of jobs for Virgin Islanders, Mr. Smith also reiterated that all the necessary requirements for protection of Virgin Islanders are already in place within the Labour Code with the term which says BVIslanders or Belongers preferred.

He strongly believes the problem lies in the enforcement of the law, whether it’s a willful lack of enforcement on the part of the Labour Code because of some government’s hidden policy or favourtisim towards employers or just that the government doesn’t have the requisite man power to enforce the law, it seems as though that part of the Labour Code is not enforced as it needs to be.

“ A lot of different things employers get away with discrimination. They set up strategies to get around the BVIslanders/Belonger preferred, sometimes they will have a job description that is way beyond the requirement for the job and the Labour department will allow the employer to get away with those types of advertisements."

“The Labour Department themselves, as a result of corruption, I have seen myself in many cases, where members of the Labour Department allowed employers to treat employees the way they want because the Labour Department employee is receiving some benefit from the employer. Whether its corruption, or hidden policy or is just official that doesn’t care. That part of the law seems to be lacking serious enforcement,” Mr. Smith charged.

To address the situation, the talk show host and activist said he has called before for regular audits of the Labour, Immigration and Customs departments because those are three of the government departments that are more vulnerable to corruption and need regular audits and checks to see how effective and efficient those departments are in enforcing the law and is being carried out and particularly the protection of VIslanders.

Furthermore, he also sees the need for Government to ensure Virgin Islanders are qualified for certain positions.

“All jobs should be Virgin Islanders first,” but noted the lack of enforcement of the Labour Code where there is the provision skills transfer is not being implemented.

“And one of the reasons for the work permit and that art of the code was a skills transfer mechanism that a company opening up in the BVI not being able to find a Virgin Islander to full a position would be allowed to hire expatriates for a period of time and at the same time train a Virgin Islander so that when the work permit is expired that Virgin islander is able to fill that position but that has not been enforced for the many years it has been instituted.“

For Sam Henry, another outspoken Virgin Islander and taxi professional, he believes the system today needs to invest more in education and apprenticeship at a much earlier age in the Teritory’s children since many of our kids are at a disadvantage competing with a more skill workforce coming in from outside.

He strongly believes that certain that relates to government work such as Permanent Secretaries, Attorney General and other highs profile jobs should be filled by VI citizens. “This to me is a matter of national security, protecting the integrity of the institution. In many other countries, foreign nationals are not permitted to hold these types of jobs,” he pointed out.

Mr. Henry who is now a radio talk show host, said government should think about protecting the life of this country by protecting and developing its citizens. “For the people of the BVI to compete globally, we need the help of the government to protect against globalization, speculator, opportunist, and people that have to moral connection to the BVI, but only want to move in the territory for exploitation proposes.

Efforts were made to contact representatives on both sides of the house including Opposition members and Government officials, however, no comments on this issue were given up to publication time, though the content of the publication and its seriousness was highlighted to those contacted.

The views of those who were willing to go on record, can be deemed as a representation of many indigenous Virgin Islanders who did not want their names to be published and can be seen as a fair analysis of the feelings of discrimination among Virgin Islanders and the urgent need to put the relevant mechanisms in place to address the concerns raised which has been brewing for years.

80 Responses to “Virgin Islanders: Discriminated & Neglected in their homeland?”

  • POOR MAN (14/05/2012, 08:33) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    yea VINO!!! this aint just happen last November, its over years and years!!!! this is not an overnight issue, if it was handelled properly in the past we would not be in this predicament. things will get better dont you worry, we now have a responsible government in and all the Ministers are doing their part - Wonder if tthey will post this!
    • facts man (14/05/2012, 10:32) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Responsible government you got to be crazy!! This ndp government is the most pro whites and island people every as look at who dey got and where dem wives and husband from... Me born St lucia but here from a child but I feel so bad for the locals they do not ever have a say!!!
      • under the bus (14/05/2012, 12:49) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        wah ah ting to tell dey king!!!
      • yes so it is (16/05/2012, 06:37) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        If you all honest you all will admit both the ndp @vip sold out the indigenous residents of the bvi so stop blaming one party.
  • qc (14/05/2012, 08:34) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    i dfeel for you all locals because ayo will suck salt under the NDP....more island people and whites holding big government job through consultancy
    • my view (14/05/2012, 11:51) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Disgraceful!!! Born here should mean somthing... no ands, ifs or buts......
      • -------------------------- (14/05/2012, 13:18) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        I agree well said but it means nothing in some places if you say you born here you get blows in your skin
        • bills (14/05/2012, 17:36) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
          Born here cannot pay the bills mey bouy
          • y (14/05/2012, 21:50) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
            vino mehson you all love these hot topic that mek the ppl dem go wild
          • sss (14/05/2012, 23:44) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
            but it should be able to get me work in a fiar enviorment so i will have money to pay the bills.
  • native boy (14/05/2012, 08:42) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    But many of us who born here have been saying this for years!! What is new?
    • never land (15/05/2012, 00:39) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      It is very sad that for most locals or indigenous Virgin Islanders living in their home country is like remaining in an abusive relationship….I see why they are all stress out!!
  • my wiew (14/05/2012, 09:13) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    different government, same labor issues.. mr. minister, say what you mean. u are half assing it man. put your food down. our labor issue is way out of hand. ppl still doing what they want. hiring who they want.
  • Big Bird (14/05/2012, 09:45) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Indigenous Virgin Islanders remain a dying breed and that is a fact!
    • facebook (14/05/2012, 12:00) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      A large portion of the problem isw the the Politicians. They have been big hipocrites on this issue both VIP and more so NDP as they keep talking out out of four sides of their mouths. The Minister Mr. Pickering for example says in a meeting how is the government going to tell him to give his job to a BVIslander when he likes his employee (expat) ...Now what kind of explame it this if the very government not enforcing the laws..god send help to locals
      • vg (14/05/2012, 14:16) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        you remember so well
        • x factor (14/05/2012, 15:11) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
          i agree with all that was said by the persons interviewed!!!! I live it at Peter Island and Village Cay as tis no distinction between a BVIslander and an expatriate worker. Look how countries like St. Maarten, Antigua, Cayman Islands, Bahamas and a number of Dependent Territories do to protect the locals....Not in the BVI..both VIP and NDP to blame.
    • start up (15/05/2012, 00:28) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Stop wasting time blogging locals. Start the ground work now for a Revolution.
  • one eye (14/05/2012, 09:49) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Look who you all talk too a bunch of talk show host who can never get elected but then again after last year it means that anybody could get in council you ever aint got to be from here...
    • Concerned Citizen (14/05/2012, 10:29) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Maybe they are the ones who been keeping it real and telling us like it is but we are too blind and we can't handle the truth. The truth hurts, it hurts more especially when we know to ourselves that what they say is pure truth.
  • will mason (14/05/2012, 09:55) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    yea i work in the hospitality field for 12 yrs and a manager i was agreAT worker an a manager told me he couldn't understand me who only was their for a year and harass me an i left he is from st vincient now he is the general manager and i am a bvislander imagine that
    • Black Brother (14/05/2012, 11:35) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      keep off our brother and sisters from the caribbean the people who bleeding tola dry do not look like me and you!!!!
      • life (15/05/2012, 00:05) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        i agree as our brothers and sisters from down island are not the problem
  • HOME GIRL! (14/05/2012, 10:00) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Our problem in the Virgin Islands is that we like to give away too much. We give away our jobs, our schools, our status everything..........to expats. When are we going to stop. We allow every expat to bring all their children to our schools and we dont charge them a cent. Let all our students who went abroad to schools in the other islands tell you that we had to pay school fees. We were expats in their countries but we give them everything free. We Virgin Islands people just like to give. That is the bottom line.
    • WOW (14/05/2012, 14:55) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      if you know of something illegal going on in the BVI take it to the police because as far as i know every child that come here have be bonded (cash).......honestly all you people dont even know your facts because you would know that if you dont like the government that is in now you can have them voted out before their term is up.......u people make me feel ashamed to be a tolian
  • critic (14/05/2012, 10:13) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    the man who we elected to protect us from this...the minister of labour...instead of doing this, he there busy, full speed ahead with an illegal airport expansion trying to accomadate his rich friends personal agendas
  • Shara Parlin (14/05/2012, 10:46) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    BVIslanders so stupid in the trust companies they are two pay grades one for whites and expats and one for local which is much lower. And here we go with the funny man putting financial services to be taught in the schools another way to train our kids to serve the maters but nothing for us to own the damm trust companies.. The BVI heading down to the bottom face…the race to the bottom…when locals work hard we expect to get paid the same like those we have to train.........
    • Iron Lion (14/05/2012, 11:53) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      You got the right name because you are a real asshole! How can bvislanders own such companies if the education aspect of it isn't put in place from early in schools? You're a real skunt! If we are to have a bigger say in these companies we need to be educated as such. Furthermore, it's not just about owning a trust company. The companies here are not BVI entities, they're foreign companies with just a branch here meaning they're managed overseas. you dont just open a trust company just like that, its al ot more to it and thats where education comes in. if we had it in place we won't be here bitching. everything that man do will give you all a hardon.
    • Sigh (14/05/2012, 12:14) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Maybe they are more qualified!
    • Real Talk 2 (14/05/2012, 16:05) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Sahara Parlin I agree with your post but please do not call BVIslanders stupid..I find that offensive and insulting else stay your crazy backside in Alaska and tell we if you could see the BVI from your window.
  • bvi born live in england (14/05/2012, 10:47) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    well I know how it is. that's why I left the bvi for the UK. I couldnt get a job in my own country. it was hard the only job labour told me I could get was mixing martor or wash dishes...being a drop out from school. I enrolled in the tvet program in 06, did will enuff to become a woodworker .try for a job and I was told I don't have much experience. so I asked them to help me. the owner said no. what is government going to do about....I guess build a big poor house next twenty years for the bvi landers. who couldnt secure a "easy future" for them slef. after the expat done bank there money home to return in here country to live on it.... just think about it has people and u will see why expats are "yes man" and bvi landers are not...
  • Truth (14/05/2012, 11:31) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    I agree with Shara Parlin. I work in a trust company for almost 16 years and my salary is shameful compared to what the expats are making and they are no smarter than I am nor they work any harder than I do.
    • Iron Lion (14/05/2012, 11:54) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      lmao the BVI have over 100 trust companies and you stay at one for 16yrs complaining. you better get your head checked and stop your s..t. if you were so good you wont be sitting there making mexican wages for 16yrs, i dont believe you lol
    • just want to know (14/05/2012, 12:08) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Length of time in a company doesn’t dictate what you should be paid, my questions to you are 1. Do you have a degree? 2. What level Ass, Bch, ,Mast, Doc, 3. Can you do your boss job? If you answers are top answers you do deserve that position and pay, then apply for the job as soon as it comes available.
  • Sigh (14/05/2012, 11:47) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    I don't think one should "jump on the expats back." The education system here is set are a level that is too low... BVIslanders are graduating from high school with a school leaving exam, some with just one CXC subject. We aim low we remain low.. if you aim high then you set higher standards for yourselves. I am not a BV Islander, I moved here to join my husband with 8 CXC's and 4 A'levels and started working as a cashier. I moved my way up from there to a supervisor and then last yr tto a better position, while working on my bachelors degree... I have worked with my virgin islanders who have just showed the "I dont care attitude" and I have worked with others who are very ambitious. I Strongly believe that the education standards here are too low... While the expats like myself come here with a better educational background. I think the government should increase those standards then more jobs will be available to the BV Islanders. Then no employer would have the need to bring in labour... Although some BVIslanders display the attitude that they should start at a high end job they are not prepared to educate themselves for it or start and work their way up.. That is why there are so many expats now doing those jobs. Thats my two cents.... I agree that you should be given priority in the job market in your homeland, however take the necessary steps to prepare yourselves for these jobs.
    • hollowe (14/05/2012, 12:04) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Some of you all call down the BVI so much and talk bad about locals but still everybody wants to come to the BVI and never return to their home, and that is the dam god truth.
    • yeah (14/05/2012, 12:13) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Very well said this is what I am taking about, BVIslanders take you head out of you behind and follow this from just crying like a set of babes, we are only here because you are not prepared. moving from good to great. Ha HA HA HA.
    • Albion (14/05/2012, 13:15) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      I agree with Sigh. This one sentence in the article says it all: "our kids are at a disadvantage competing with a more skill workforce coming in from outside". The BVI already has laws that give preferences to locals for all jobs (and in the case of Attorney General, mentioned in the article, this is hard wired into the BVI's Constitution). But no amount of legislation can make an unskilled and unmotivated workforce into a skilled and motiviated workforce. Employers are willing to overcome a lot of obstacles to get a skilled and motivated employee in favour of an unskilled and unmotivated one. That is the real problem that the BVI should focus upon.
  • big mouth (14/05/2012, 11:54) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    What we BVIslanders have over expats is our BH so already have an advantage, the next thing is that we need to get educated so we could hold these high paying jobs, and stop crying about expats taking our jobs. Its plain and simple if a position becomes available and we are not qualified for it, what do want the employer to do wait for you it doesn't work that way. BVIslanders my people stop complaning get with the program, expats are only here because we can't do the job.
  • Not2Sure (14/05/2012, 13:21) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    I find it interesting that this is "breaking news". What is really is about is tapping into people's anger about the employment situation in BVI right now. If that is right, then things are surely about to get much worse. As more and more trust companies are looking to outsource their operations and move staff away from the BVI (high cost of labour, poor infrastructure), and American Eagle soon to stop flying between BVI and SJU (devastating to tourism), this is going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.
    • Iron Lion (14/05/2012, 14:14) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      At least you have some sense. these idiots fail to realize that the companies hiring locals, supporting the economy are expat owned operated. they don't need to be in BVI to do BVI work, that's what they fail to realize. These people can set up in Panama, Mexico, India or even other caribbean islands who are running them down. a company with 60 employees, 40 of them local, can outsource the 40 local jobs to another country and keep a shell office with a few people here for landbased work. just like that 40people out of a job. they better becareful what they wish for and walk easy on this. doc already got his plate full. Cayman pissed off a set of them with their permit policies, now they on their kneees begging back. the locals there jumped up and down, but after a few moths they realize they cut their nose clean off to spite their face. bvi always have a lesson to learn from, will we learn?
      • zoe (14/05/2012, 15:07) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        while locals can't find work and facing discrimnation and NDP telling lies about the country broke they still issuing work permit exemptions by the file load...check the last two cabinet? For heaven’s sake ppl, what is wrong with doc Pickering????? Tens of thousands of dollars going down the drain, no difference between this man and the Cookie Monster....business as usual
  • in the news (14/05/2012, 13:22) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    some of deeds people on this blog chatting pi$$ needs to go home, catch the next flight out!!!
    • Sigh (14/05/2012, 13:43) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Prime example of the education standards set !!! These not deeds.... I rest my case
    • lol (14/05/2012, 13:47) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      And you need to learn to spell. The words is "these not deeds"
  • so so (14/05/2012, 14:37) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    what about BV islanders who throw or always trying to throw them own under the bus?...talk bring talk
  • ccc (14/05/2012, 15:16) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Anyone whether local or expat walking around and cannot see and regonise a fact that Virgin Islanders are neglected and discriminated against in the BVI is living in denial or just down right selfish as it has not affect them or their people but it happens in more ways than one but a lot of people afraid to speak out!!!
  • bad system (14/05/2012, 15:32) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    But the bigger point here is the very government who should be up-holding the laws are the biggest violators. Look them bring Wilson a man from Trinidad to pay him more than Permanent Secretaries, while hiring also a JMADOWN PS for education and trying to force out Carlyon through retirement. They give John S a local a job but paying him less than what they were paying the expat..and paying a consultant from the Cayman Islands or Tucks where ever the hell he is from big bucks to advise on the same thing John is been paid for. Look what they paying David Morris to what they were paying Frazer?? So what you expect the private sector to do when the government doing the same dam thing...come on I said it before and I will say it again the UN need to investigate the suffering of the indigenous minority and put laws in place for their protection. It may sound crazy and unnecessary but trust me its urgent and very vital, as the situation will get worse. From time you put a set of Island men in we legislative council dog dead for locals. And do not talk about the hell locals catching in the legal system..hell on earth there!!!! Jamaican magistrate, Jamaican Attorney General, Guyanese DPP...should I go on????
    • Sigh (14/05/2012, 16:57) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      They are more qualified and experienced! I don't know of these discriminations so I can't say its happening but name a local judge or magistrate who is here and unemployed... local nurses who are unemployed... local lawyers who are unemployed?
  • Iron Lion (14/05/2012, 16:49) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    The international firms hire locals who are qualified, have good attitude and manners. They are the ones moving up the charts. How can you say BVIslanders are being discriminated? Look at the YOUNG PROFESSIONAL tab on this website and see how many of our young people are prospering in the BVI. It cannot be both ways! The problem here is people not willing to put in work, they want to be the boss because they're from here, point blank, nowhere in the world does it work that way. The Americans are struggling because of the same attitude and you see what happened? The people moved their jobs overseas so now there is nothing to complain about. mind what you wish for. These jobs affect the entire economy of the VI! A lot of people saying to expats they should go home, again mind what you wish for.
  • Free Soul (14/05/2012, 16:57) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Here we go again with this issue of Labour and Immigration!! Will this damn situation ever get fixed?! The terminiliogy in some of our legislation "At the Discretion of the Minister" is turning out to be very detrimental to the Virgin Islander. Simply put, some Ministers abuse this clause/reserve power for all the wrong reasons. There are solutions to this problem but are our legislators (past & present) have the kahones to tackle this issue??! Some of them need to 'grow a pair' and get the ball rolling.
  • BVI lawyer (14/05/2012, 17:45) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    I think the other thing people fail to recognise is that the BVI has a skilled labour shortage. My firm always takes great pains to try and recruit BVIslanders for any new position, but ultimately, there are only 10,000 or BVIslanders of working age, and all the ones with good skills and experience already have jobs. That is just smart business: why train a Jamaican to do the job who might go home in 2 years when you can train a Tortolan who might work for you for 15 or 20 years? But we have an economy of a much larger country (which is a good thing), and that means that there are pressures on the labour market that cannot always be met out of that pool of 10,000 people. Not if we want to continue to try and grow and compete economically. I imagine that is very little consolation for people who struggle to find work though.
    • Karel (15/05/2012, 11:13) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      Exactly! WHY would a company pay all the extra it costs to import labour (and believe me, it is not cheap), if trained and experienced locals are available? I have tried and tried to hire locally at low levels and high: the high end has virtually no applicants, because they already have jobs; the low end shows up when they feel like it, have cell phones glued to their ears, and wonder why they can't spend the day in the office! If there is outrage, it should be at the education system and our culture. You have to work for what you get in this life, unless you're a gangsta wanna-be. I'm talking about YOU too, HLSCC!
  • Buzz (14/05/2012, 18:20) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    The BVI needs to get a sense of perspective. To better understand and see itself. The BVI needs to understand the difference between culture and heritage. The BVi needs to work with what it has not what it wants to have. People travel to experience other worlds and cultures. They do not want to experience the same things they already have on their door step at a lower price and a higher quality than we can ever hope to achieve. No matter what our visitors do they will never be able to have waters and islands as beautiful as ours. We need to understand, what it is that we have that is better than others, and start to work out how we can keep it that way. There are jobs and livelihoods for BVIslanders in this. Once we have here what our visitors have back home they will not come. We have a rich heritage in the BVI which should be celebrated (not left to rot and ruin) from the old sugar plantation ruins to the old forts to churches. To the traditions of boat building and fishing. The past history of traveling the Caribbean in search of work. The connection to the land and the growing of crops and the the hard life of creating food from scarce resources. Pride in the development of the BVI and the significant leaders as the BVI moves from its past as a nation of passive and aggressive Indian settlers to the waring European Nations who saw the BVI as such a treasure Trove. The disgrace of the slave years and the move to freedom and the successful prosecution of a disgraced Slave Master. Much about the end of slavery was unique here. Visitors to our shores should be learning what is our heritage and learning about the trials the BVI has gone through to get to where we are now with the arrival of the motor car, mass tourism and the pioneers that resulted in the development of Little Dix Bay, the Moorings and others to follow. There is much to learn and be proud of even when brought by outsiders. One wonders when it was that the present day BVIslanders were in fact created. Those things that work with the natural beauty of the BVI are what should form the basis of culture going forward. Things to be proud of that come out of our past heritage and past culture are what visitors want to experience. BVI culture has changed over time from a hard working population who rewarded hard work to one where expectation is so high that everyone expects to be at the top just because they are from here. And they expect it now. This has been tried in other countries and results in floundering, weak, immature people in positions of power with lack of regard for their past and what would be best for the future. Culture has changed from an interest in the land and the sea and the environment in which we live to a desire to be like the major industrialized nations in the world. Our culture is now drug running, domestic abuse, child abuse, noisy scooters, fast cars, appalling infrastructure, throwing out garbage where we stand and where we live. Taking what was quiet and beautiful and fast tracking it to noise, waste, light and garbage polluted. We have a culture where one group can lobby and mean that we have no public transport system and a blind devotion to the supply of cruise ship fodder. The culture of get rich quick, corruption and big business has taken over and we are now a new BVI about to disappear under the detritus of a modern industrial world. We cannot even see how we should be world leaders in alternative energy systems and fresh water production systems as we have not embraced them and applied ourselves to learn over the years. We could have been using solar and wind energy for years and with the knowledge we have gained be sending consultants to other island nations around the world instead of ourselves always buying in consultants. We could have a college with a world reknowned course on implementing alternative systems for small communities and island nations around the world. We could be leading in small scale agro business, water production and waste management. We should be experts in so many fields and selling ourselves around the world but first we have to want to learn and apply and understand and not just be managers watching and counting the money coming in. That takes time and commitment and someone can not just hand that to you on a plate. Even out building culture here is to clear away those old traditional houses and build big new office blocks. Our building designs do not even include hints or references to our past lives. Just built to maximize rental so that the owner can sit back do nothing and collect the rent the proud owner of yet another ugly edifice. Nothing to bind past and present. It is not backwards to be different or to refuse the worst excesses of a modern world. How we would be envied in the years to come when all others have lost there culture to the modern fads of the moment destroying all that they had that was good so that some one can come and get a quick fix until they could no longer be satiated and move on. When people have moved on to visit the remaining beautiful places we will be left with concrete, old and broken mega hotels, decaying zip lines, more broken and derelict vehicles and excavators than most large countries, jagged lines snaking along our once beautiful islands with neglected and half built projects abandoned. Our culture of hiding those criminals amongst us and lack of accountability and responsibility at all levels of government. An inability to prosecute fairly those that do wrong and are caught all these are adding up to a lawless culture more reminiscent of privateering, pirate times and a culture that a sophisticated society should be happy to leave behind. Instead we can start to create opportunities for all here in these islands by thinking small and varied not big and profitable for the fortunate few. Develop small stopping points throughout our islands at our fabulous views and our currently much neglected heritage sites. Provide small vendor licences to operate, regulated and managed merchant opportunities at these places. Employ curators for these sites. One curator for each site who cares for it, nurtures it and passes on the heritage of the past and into present day culture as people are show how to make pots, use cast nets, witness boat building and sail in modern island sloops built here on the island by skilled craftsmen who can sell their talents here and around the world. We should be emphasizing competition and increasing competition not limiting it so elitist clubs can grow fat. Many smaller opportunities where entrepreneurs are encouraged to compete will bring prices down and make the young BVI business owners capable, knowledgeable, professional and better equipped to succeed in a modern world where skills and knowledge are rewarded. Meanwhile the fat cats loose touch and fall behind and are left to scratch and fight with the help of clever lawyers, as they try to claw back what they think is their right instead of just being better and cheaper. Truly effecting the education system, instead of relying on catchy phrases that do not take us from good to great but leave us puffing our selves up as we go from bad to worse. We often lament why people are brought in from outside and cannot see that a country of 289 million people is very likely to have many people of the highest calibre and that we with 6000 who allow them selves to be from here will never have the range of experience to be the best at everything. It is just not realistic but through education and careful grooming it should be possible for BVIslanders to enter the work place and over time reach the top like people do the world over. It is just not realistic to be at the top in your first few years unless you are truly exceptional and that really is often not the case here. Many people from overseas are often at the top of their game after a lifetime of experience gained at lower levels that inform them and enhance their abilities later in life when they are ready for the responsibilities that come with senior positions We are a country of approximately 30,000 people and we cannot provide all that a country of 289 million can provide for its people. We are about the size of a small town in country like England but we want to carry on like we are huge industrialized nation. We will fail for it is not what we are, not what we should want to be and not what we can be. We ned to get a sense of balance and realize that even in larger nations not every town has everything and I do not know of one that can sustain two bowling alleys for their bored misguided youths. Our religious leaders are even blinded to what this country needs with massive slab sided edifices for the good of who knows what. Certainly not the beauty of the BVI. If we do not quickly find a new beginning then the end is nigh and a beautiful nation will be lost to all. The nation will carry on but it will not be what it could have been.
  • Organization needed (14/05/2012, 18:25) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    We all know we have a problem in this area. My question is what is being done about it besides talking? What organization is in place to lobby government to correct this problem? What research has been conducted to assess the extent of the problem, citing facts, specific situations in which this is being done, and holding people accountable? What information is put in place to educate BV Islanders of the extent of the problem and what they need to do to correct it? From my view, there’s much talking but all as atomized individuals. I don’t see a coherent group targeting this problem and holding government and all others feet to the fire to correct the problem. We all know once election is over, our usefulness to the politicians cease until the next election. It doesn’t matter what party they are in, it is pretty much the same thing across the board. Knowing this, what exactly is being done about it? It is up to BV Islanders to join force and work cohesively to target this problem. Until we understand that we have to lead by example by organizing and forming a coherent group to target these problems. We must also understand that for others to take our rhetoric seriously, the group must be consistent and not dissemble after the first disagreement. We all know for individuals to have equal access to the decision-making process despite their status in the community, they must exercise democratic power; that for democratic power to be exercised it must be vested in a local community instead of isolated atomized individuals, and that it is through this process that real change occurs.
  • an example for life (14/05/2012, 22:15) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    another clear example of discrimination against indigenous Virgin Islanders is the treatment of the two group. Take for example tent city by the cruise ship dock that is made of of 95 % expats..Mark answer is to use tax payers $$$$$ to build a brand new falciltiy for them after they are scatting for years and should not be there. But here you go at Smuggle Cove where its the reverse with 95 % locals (between a view JAMDOWN) they got letters from Trade and police asking them to vacate. people you see what is gong on here..now tell me if any one can honestly say locals are not catting hell in the BVI!!!
  • Uncle Jessie (14/05/2012, 22:16) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Problem here is that your not seen by your qualifications but rather your family background. This is why expats get the pay its locals holding locals back. The expat is seen as a lawyer who is named John, the local is seen as James who is Tom's son from Sea Cows Bay who is a local lawyer. lets pay John what is entitled to a lawyer and lets pay James  less and see if he can perform on the level of a lawyer. it's sad but this is why I believe to be respected here you need years experience from a more developed country.
  • Janett Willams (15/05/2012, 00:23) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    See yet another example of discrimination against Virgin Islanders. Dr. Pickering announce that no commercial activities for Long Bay Beach. Now you know 95% of locals use that beach so in other words you kill economical opportunities for locals...pure discrimination But then you have peter island expat white who took over deadmans bay and white bay by putting bouys out to stop boats getting close to shore? So they took over those beaches for their own economical activities Not only can you not use the beach but you have to swim from 200m out to get to the beach now see the double standards people what do you call that????? So I am not one just running my face I have concrete examples of how B V Islanders are suffering.
  • watch the game (15/05/2012, 07:24) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    The local B V islanders are just like the American Indians in the states. First they started by denying them job which result in poverty and economic hardship, then they deny them political power by elected others to control the political system. Watch the game it’s happening here by discriminating against the locals for jobs, then elected none nationals to power…watch the game people watch the game! The next step will be to place locals in camp... the camp being the prison system. Go check how much locals are locked up…what the game people!!
  • Really Tired (15/05/2012, 09:28) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    These are only boiling issues and urgent now. When Hon. Omar was flooding the market with every Jane, Jack and Dolly with work permit exemptions and some of them can't read, write or pound a nail straight it wasn't urgent. Let's face it. The BVI has lots of work. Most BVIslanders are working and comfortable and can even find a second job if they want it. In fact, most expats have three and four jobs and raking in the money. But I say all that to say this issue is not new nor is it only now boiling.
    • Sigh (15/05/2012, 12:16) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      For an expat to have a second job, they need permission from their boss and from labour department. If found working without that they will be sent home.. That's the law I know. Besides alot of the other jobs that they do are low end jobs... for instance cashing, cleaning ppls houses etc... how many BVislanders out there are willing to do those things.... We just want to sit behind a desk all day looking pretty and dressing up.. The fact is the expats do alot of the jobs that BVIslanders believe are beneath them... they start no where so with little work experience and a school leaving certificate they are out there in a tough job market where employers are looking for skilled and experience employees. Don't get me wrong I know some BVislanders who do those things mentioned but they are very few. Our mentality sometimes keeps us behind. Just because you are born in a place does not mean that you should be given first priority to be a lawyer or a manager when you do not have the experience and qualifications. BVIslanders who are qualified and experienced all have jobs.... Limitations will be placed on new work permits; however it will be from the lower end jobs like cashiers, masons, customer service clerks, receptionists ets. I am pretty sure that's not what every one is fighting over. Im sure its for the higher ends jobs. so whether a freeze is placed on this work permits or not you will still find expats doing those jobs because the fact is that some BVislanders( and I enthasize on SOME) will not do those things and rather stay home. so the expats start at the bottom and as a result they learn the business, educate themself and eventually move up within that same business( where the BVislanders feel they should be). Like I said I agree if you have the qualifications and experience you SHOULD be given first priority. But until we recognisee that being born a BVIslander is not some special qualification for employment this debate will continue.
  • END OF TIMES (15/05/2012, 10:17) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    seems like eveyone living in the BVI crying discrimination...the spanish, the down island people, the resdients with the wrong last name, the locals!!!! my god where does it end????
  • cabinet (15/05/2012, 18:12) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Poor ayo Tola people not a dam ting will change blows n ayo backside..who tell ayo joint up wid dem wh..es and islands people and gone vote NDP..tek wah ago get mehson
  • zeeeeeeeeeeeee (16/05/2012, 13:06) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    well all lcoals have to do is ask for their 40 arces and a donkey lol
    • fact check (16/05/2012, 15:23) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      TO ZEEEEEEEEEE; And once they get it where do they go..to Antigua?? Jamaica, or rock round!!!
  • Tammy Faye (16/05/2012, 16:44) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Virgin Islanders will always be treated unfairly until this generation of leaders become history. Imagine Virgin Islanders in key management positions who are contributing to the unfair treatment of other Virgin Islanders. And yes, the colour of your skin does have a lot to do with it. Virgin Islanders when they are given a job opportunity in their homeland, work their tail off, yes, well qualified for their position. Doing what they are not being paid to do, yet being paid next to nothing when other nationals with different skin colour, minimal qualification just sit or walk around doing nothing but exercising but being paid triple and more. hat is left to say? When will all this come to an end? The BVI has been sold out by both administrations and the citizens can vent until judgement day, things will only get worse. Who feels it ,knows it. yes, I am a product of this injustice and yes, I am fully qualified and yes, I am a Virgin slander.


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