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‘VIP still has a crisis of leadership’- Hon Walwyn

- alleged that Hon Julian Fraser RA was not the comfortable choice for the leadership of the VIP
While many of the candidates of the National Democratic Party (NDP) chose to speak about their campaign experience and thanked their supporters as they wrapped up their tent meetings ahead of the June 8, 2015 elections last evening, June 6, 2015, the ever controversial Minister for Education and Culture and Territorial At Large candidate Hon Myron V. Walwyn (left) chose to take another swing at the leader of the Virgin Islands Party (VIP), Hon Julian Fraser RA. Hon Walwyn alleged that Hon Fraser was not 'liked' by the party as the potential premier of the Virgin Islands. Photo: VINO
Political commentators have criticised Premier Dr The Hon D. Orlando Smith for allowing himself to be bullied and not having control over some of his ministers and party members, who he has failed to keep in check even when they have publicly embarrassed the party. In fact, recently Dr Smith defended one of his party members' use of expletives towards a member of the Opposition. Photo: VINO
Political commentators have criticised Premier Dr The Hon D. Orlando Smith for allowing himself to be bullied and not having control over some of his ministers and party members, who he has failed to keep in check even when they have publicly embarrassed the party. In fact, recently Dr Smith defended one of his party members' use of expletives towards a member of the Opposition. Photo: VINO
Honourable Ralph T. O’Neal OBE, the outgoing Ninth District Representative, came to the defense of Chairman of the Virgin Islands Party and Premier in waiting Honourable Julian Fraser RA (R3) on many occasions as the National Democratic Party attempted to paint Hon Fraser as an 'undesirable' leader. Photo: VINO/File
Honourable Ralph T. O’Neal OBE, the outgoing Ninth District Representative, came to the defense of Chairman of the Virgin Islands Party and Premier in waiting Honourable Julian Fraser RA (R3) on many occasions as the National Democratic Party attempted to paint Hon Fraser as an 'undesirable' leader. Photo: VINO/File
The NDP members, in particular Hon Walwyn Myron V. Walwyn and Minister for Communications and Works and Fourth District Representative, Hon Mark H. Vanterpool, have constantly and loudly praised Premier Dr The Honourable D. Orlando Smith as a good leader. This is even as reports are that the two candidates in particular are poised to take up the premiership should Dr Smith demit office due to health reasons even if NDP is returned to power. The party has publicly dismissed such reports, however. Photo: VINO
The NDP members, in particular Hon Walwyn Myron V. Walwyn and Minister for Communications and Works and Fourth District Representative, Hon Mark H. Vanterpool, have constantly and loudly praised Premier Dr The Honourable D. Orlando Smith as a good leader. This is even as reports are that the two candidates in particular are poised to take up the premiership should Dr Smith demit office due to health reasons even if NDP is returned to power. The party has publicly dismissed such reports, however. Photo: VINO
The final 'tent meeting' for the National Democratic Party ahead of the polls on Monday June 8, 2015 was held at the Road Town Market Square on June 6, 2015. Photo: VINO
The final 'tent meeting' for the National Democratic Party ahead of the polls on Monday June 8, 2015 was held at the Road Town Market Square on June 6, 2015. Photo: VINO
ROAD TOWN, Tortola, VI – While many of the candidates of the National Democratic Party (NDP) chose to speak about their campaign experience and thanked their supporters as they wrapped up their tent meetings ahead of the June 8, 2015 elections last evening, June 6, 2015, the ever controversial Minister for Education and Culture and Territorial At Large candidate Hon Myron V. Walwyn chose to take another swing at the leadership of the Virgin Islands Party (VIP).

The leadership of the VIP has been the focus of the NDP during the campaign trail as they sought to paint Chairman of the Virgin Islands Party, Hon Julian Fraser RA (R3) as an ‘undesirable’ leader. Their chants have been that a vote for any of the VIP candidates is a vote for Hon Fraser as Premier of the Virgin Islands.

Staunch NDP supporter and former legislator, Eileene L. Parsons even went as far as to say that to have Hon Fraser as Premier would be a “nightmare”.

“The other side had a crisis of leadership they still have a crisis of leadership because they had a choice to make between two persons one who they didn’t like and one who they didn’t trust, so they take the one that they didn’t like but thank God that we can say that we have a leader that we like and a leader we trust,” Hon Walwyn blared in his usual tone at the rally held at the Road Town Market Square.

Constant attacks on Hon Fraser

The constant attack on Hon Fraser and the criticism that he does not possess the temperament to lead the territory, according to Virgin Islands Party members, are a well schemed plan to create a doubt in the minds of voters to not vote for Hon Fraser and to also discourage the electorate from splitting their votes.

The NDP members, in particular Hon Walwyn and Minister for Communications and Works and Fourth District Representative, Hon Mark H. Vanterpool, have constantly and loudly praised Premier Dr The Honourable D. Orlando Smith as a good leader. This is even as reports are that the two candidates in particular are poised to take up the premiership should Dr Smith demit office due to health reasons even if NDP is returned to power. The party has publicly dismissed such reports, however.

Added to that, political buffs have said that certain candidates are only loudly touting Dr Smith as a good leader because they have been getting their way and have their own personal interests in the forefront.

They have further criticised Dr Smith for allowing himself to be bullied and not having control over some of his ministers and party members, who he has failed to keep in check even when they have publicly embarrassed the party. In fact, recently Dr Smith defended one of his party members' use of expletives towards a member of the Opposition.

This, political pundits said, was further proof of the “culture of disrespect” that the NDP has constantly been accused of cultivating and evidence that Dr Smith lacks the resolve to address issues of disrespect by party members and to the satisfaction of the already impatient public who has labelled the actions and comments of some members, especially in the House of Assembly, as distasteful, petty and undemocratic.

Hon Fraser defended

Meanwhile, Hon Fraser has not spent much effort on addressing the NDP’s rants about his leadership but has been defended by his party’s candidates and more forcefully by the man he succeeded as VIP Chairman, Hon Ralph T. O’Neal OBE, who is regarded as one of the most successful, wise, humble, tolerant and respected legislator in the Caribbean region.

Hon O’Neal has said he worked with Honourable Fraser for many years and he is a man who is prepared to listen, and to discuss a matter and he is prepared to help especially those people who may be in difficulties.

He had made the point that the very people criticising Honourable Fraser are displaying behaviour that is not only disrespectful and uncalled for but also is an affront to the people who elected them.

In his final address to the territory as a member of the House of Assembly on Thursday June 4, 2015 on ZBVI 780AM, Hon O’Neal said the first Chief Minister of the Virgin Islands came from Long Bay, the second from East End and the third from West End. The first Premier and fourth leader of the Virgin Islands, who happened to be Hon O’Neal, came from Virgin Gorda, and the fifth from Road Town.

“Why can’t the sixth one (leader) come from Sea Cows Bay?” Hon O’Neal repeatedly asked.

“To call down people, to degrade them, and to dig in to their past to see what they have done wrong…hmm, not good,” he continued.

The veteran legislator further said one must be careful because when we cast a stone at someone that stone might come back and hit us.

He then quoted a phrase from one of William Shakespeare’s plays, King Richard II, which says “Forget, forgive; conclude and be agreed; Our doctors say this is no month to bleed.”

He is no 'Hitler'

Speaking at a VIP rally in North Sound, Virgin Gorda on Monday May 25, 2015 Honourable O’Neal had said there is an effort being made on the part of the ruling NDP administration to make the Chairman of the VIP appear to be a ‘Hitler’.

“They are trying to get the people’s mind turned against him. But let me tell you this, Mr Fraser did not take members of Council out to Beef Island to ask the Governor to get rid of me. He did not do that…and I know the whole story of what they did,” said Honourable O’Neal.

At almost all of their campaign meetings, the NDP has been bashing Honourable Fraser, using a number of derogatory names in an effort to vilify the man many see as the next Premier of the Virgin Islands.

38 Responses to “‘VIP still has a crisis of leadership’- Hon Walwyn”

  • the don (07/06/2015, 12:30) Like (56) Dislike (11) Reply
    This guy just make me sick and he is MOE I'm sorry don't want him representing my kids
  • VI politics not for island people (07/06/2015, 12:37) Like (11) Dislike (14) Reply
    Dr. Smith and Archie are the two most genuine and caring human beings on NDP----Dr. Dawson and All Out are the two most genuine and caring people on VIP. . None the Parties care about Island People--NDP-High fees for us----VIP-send us home---For us no matter who we vote for its a lose--lose situation---like Mekisha say-f-dem--who win, win--not voting..
    • Hmm (07/06/2015, 13:33) Like (10) Dislike (1) Reply
      You do realize that the VI is made up of islands right? So we are all island people.
      If you look at the slate on VIP, they are definitely more inclusive than years past.
  • In Ah me pants (07/06/2015, 12:42) Like (63) Dislike (4) Reply

    Walywn stop chatting rat poopoo for God sake. The VIP have a leader in the person of Julian Fraser and there are many more aspiring leaders under him but the NDP have Dr. Smith as its leader just for a front. The whole BVI knows the infighting within the NDP for position. You guys have Dr. Smith like a poppet on a string. You need to tell the people who was really behind the move to desolve the HOA and the calling of the election. I feel for the Doc because **U, Ac** man, Ms. P**** and LS is the ones calling the shots and the same ones forced his hands with the calling of this election. Tell us why you all want to see the back of Dr. Pico so bad but yet you all come out in the public's domain pretending that you all are so much together. Remember what happen behind closed doors always have a way of coming to light. Who is the MR. Kickback king?

  • It's all about M****** (07/06/2015, 12:42) Like (56) Dislike (3) Reply

    The only crisis of leadership is evident amongst the NDP candidates. M****** will turn on Dr. Smith and Dr. Pickering and those original candidates who built the NDP. The signs are there. M****** has a ‘lean and hungry look’ for power (Shakespeare). Dr. Smith and his core supporters MUST vote wisely on Monday. M**** is already behaving as though he were the Premier.

    Every thing M***** does, it is all about M******. Does anyone notice how many ads an candidate has on the blogs and extended air time on the radio and tv? Some NDP candidates clearly have next to no budget for campaigning. Is this a one-man show? Just about every day for the past three weeks M***** has a new initiative or some grandiose pronouncement in the media. Is this a one-man show?

    The young people are caught up in the hype. However, one should hope that the more mature voters can see through the me-ism.

  • Outlaw (07/06/2015, 12:45) Like (47) Dislike (2) Reply
    You guys days are numbered MVW, the writing is on the wall and the winds are blowing strong. Don't let the crowd fool you my boi, there will be a change in the guards, take it from me. Lots of surprises come Monday the 8th(tomorrow)
  • Street reporter (07/06/2015, 12:50) Like (22) Dislike (23) Reply
    Walwyn is correct--He is speaking the truth-- we all know that--unless you live in your house and dont work or walk the streets--VIP leadership is a popular work place and street talk--stop been in denial because its your party----NDP not much better, they have us in a health Crisis also---its 6 in one--and half dozen in the next. How is our 47 million dollars given to the Hospital board is been spent?------These are street talk--I am the street reporter--with no bias.
  • Really! (07/06/2015, 13:00) Like (45) Dislike (2) Reply
    I read on the other site that he referred to one of the candidates "who he supervised" on the VIP as incompetent. This man true colors are being revealed slowly but surely. He is ARROGANT and thinks he KNOWS IT ALL and that nothing positive happened in this territory until he arrived on the scene. People, send this man a message. Do not let him make such repulsive statements against our people!
  • Musical chairs (07/06/2015, 13:01) Like (45) Dislike (1) Reply
    The only crisis of leadership is in the Ndp. Dont mind the noise. Funny man fighting hard to outdo the others. He doing all kind a ting to kill Kedrick and those he sees as rivals in the Ndp. Not to worry he just digging a hole for heself. VIP safe and united with a powerful team.
  • Grammer school on Elton land (07/06/2015, 13:06) Like (48) Dislike (0) Reply
    Whoever gets in I hope they buy back that land from investment club that they bought from Elton and put our 5th form and 6th form school on it and leave the present Elmo Stout high as our Junior high--Now that makes sense to me---It would have made more sense if Government had buy the land from Elton instead of investment club---Now it going cost them triple to buy it back.
    • @Grammer (Grammar) School on Elton Land (08/06/2015, 13:26) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      For your information -- just in case you are open to the truth, and not just interested in spreading lies -- the BVI Investment Club DID NOT buy any land from Elton. Please find another scapegoat!
  • just saying.. (07/06/2015, 13:20) Like (3) Dislike (0) Reply
    I hope my young boys are safe st night
  • Goose and Gander (07/06/2015, 13:29) Like (51) Dislike (1) Reply

    Those that live in glass house some wise soul say should not throw stones. Who made Walwyn the judge on effective leadership. People that work closely with ****** see him as a bully, opportunist, non-compromising, arrogant, divisive....etc. Walwyn is saying that VIP is in a leadership crisis in that delegates had a hard time deciding between Andrew and Julian. Would not the learned attorney agree that the difficulty in deciding was that they were two highly qualified candidates?

    Let's keep it real. Walwyn is flinging rocks at VIP's glass house but what about NDP's glass house? It is rumored allegedly that Doc intends to give up the leadership role soon. Does the NDP have a clear succession plan? Will it be Kedrick, Ronnie, Mark, Walwyn? Are there alliances forming in the caucus? Cannot independently confirm the undermining of the current Deputy in the 7th so will leave that.

    In any event, Walwyn sure spends a lot of time attacking Fraser and Fahie instead of talking about NDP plans on education, health, infrastructure, education, environment ...etc for the next four years. Seem as if he wrote off Alvin. Does not Walwyn have a record to run or was it all flash. Ah, the politics of personal destruction.

  • VG voter (07/06/2015, 13:36) Like (61) Dislike (0) Reply
    I am appalled to see and hear how the Hon. Minister continues to bash Mr. Frazer. Unless I don't know what the word 'arrogant' means, he is far more arrogant than Mr. Frazer. Why do we have to bash each other like this. I have a strong feeling that NDP has something to hide and will do anything to stay in power. But there is a God, and whatever is done in darkness is surely bound to come to light. In about sixteen hours we will be going to the polls, and it will soon be all over, and Gosh I hope that there is a change in govt. We cannot take this type of leadership any longer. By the way, who is the leader?????????
    • OK Then (07/06/2015, 14:17) Like (47) Dislike (0) Reply
      Finally someone sees this guy as more arrogant thant Fraser. Ask his staff.
      • worked with him (07/06/2015, 14:59) Like (17) Dislike (1) Reply

        i worked with a certain ndp candidate one time and it was hell, we slaved to meet unrealistic deadlines so he could get a photo op

  • GOD IS IN CONTROL (07/06/2015, 13:58) Like (24) Dislike (0) Reply

    Fraser and members of the VIP Party, Fear not for they that be for you all are more than they than be with them. He has to have some to fear why he is behaving like a lunatic. He should not have been allowed in our politics.

    • good (07/06/2015, 15:18) Like (11) Dislike (0) Reply
      Well the mongoose has to behave like a lunatic because he so afraid of what they are hiding. They are spending government money for their personal use that's why the fool say he will go jail for the mongoose. Doc. Is too weak in his mind having the mongoose tellin what to do. People of this country listen up, they spend so much money on fire works that they have to call a snap election thinking that they will get back in to clean up the mess and kill we poor people especially with this NHI INSURANCE. That's why they are so afraid Frasier when he he will expose dirty deeds. PEOPLE take heed and VOTE VIRGIN ISLANDS PARTY ALL THE WAY.
  • Jacperlance (07/06/2015, 14:01) Like (25) Dislike (0) Reply
    The NDP whole campaign was about Mr. Fraser and trying to pull the man face down into the gutter but when they see they cannot succeed, he come now talking about leadership crisis. Is this man for real. Mr. MVW, if I were you I would have been mindful of what I say, remember you are a come here/born here, F & F are indigenous BVIslander, people are not satisfy with the way you speaking about those two F's, be careful. As to leadership, if one were to put you, Mark, Ronnie, Pico, Doc, crazy woman and JF-RA in a ring and asked me to pick a leader, I will pick JF-RA any day over the rest.
  • Oh No (07/06/2015, 14:07) Like (14) Dislike (0) Reply

    It's said that a picture is worth a thousand words.... TWO THOUSAND PLUS, Greed, hunger, power, anger, arrogance, hatred, evil, and the list goes on...though I have nothing against you MISTER *** for you have done remarkably well in your short term...but oh my...this pic....I just have to LOL...

  • right (07/06/2015, 14:11) Like (15) Dislike (0) Reply

    He is not a true son of the soil. Where did he grow up? Ok. He was born hereby chance...The man who help to make him what he is, he is so against him. We need not look any further.only fowls behave that way.

  • Mr. Quiz (07/06/2015, 14:15) Like (5) Dislike (1) Reply
    Who thinks the road works will continue and finish after election?-- SAY "YES"----Who thinks not--SAY "NO"-------Who thinks the Medical fees will drop? --SAY "VIP" Who thinks they won`t-- SAY "NDP"------Who thinks the green houses will ever produce food?--SAY "BUY LOCAL"----Who think not--SAY "IMPORT"--
  • Aric. (07/06/2015, 14:27) Like (4) Dislike (17) Reply
    People please...this is politics and whether you like it or not politics is a dirty business. Therefore you cannot have thin skin if you want to run for politics. Hon. Walwyn is quite right especially when you have the other party referring to them as dogs
  • sad (07/06/2015, 14:40) Like (68) Dislike (0) Reply

    Vote out this Antigua fellow.His conduct has brought the House of Assembly to shame. It is a disgrace to us Virgin Islanders and others the way this man for education and the one for works behave in the .house. They should both be sent home to learn manners.. Bashing the leader of VIP is terrible.He should be thanking him. He and Kishmet seem to have the same type of mentality. Do not bite the hand that feed you.

  • dog (07/06/2015, 15:04) Like (9) Dislike (1) Reply
    the strength with having a variety of young folk with new ideas and idealism is that they are willing to work for the good of the people. They tend to be better team players. Fraser may be over-enthusiastic or downright embarrassing at times, but most of the most successful people surround themselves with talent to make them look good. There is talent in the VIP. There is also talent and experience in Independents who tend to vote VIP. Mix it up and get both in there for a more objective and transparent team.
    • Truth Sayer (07/06/2015, 22:17) Like (3) Dislike (0) Reply
      You hit the nail on the head! Agree 100%.

      Ronald Reagan, former US president, was not very bright or a well liked individual. As a matter of fact he was downright rude and a racist at that. History attests to the fact that he was also arrogant and, at times, ruthless.
      As governor of California he showed his true colors by publicly making racist remarks toward Mexican Americans.

      As President of the US he had the good sense to surround himself with brilliant cabinet members whose advice he had the common-sense to follow. I am sure that Fraser has the common-sense to follow those people on the VIP team as well as others who have sound, rational advice to give.

      I am sure you agree that the VIP is aware that they would be keenly watched and held accountable by more than a few member of the public.

      The NDP seems not to care much about public perception. The most outspoken ones (namely, Walwyn, Vanterpool and sometimes OJ Smith) seem to be more interested in telling the people what to think and who to hate. Give me the VIP and some Independents such as Hon. Dancia Penn-Sala any day. I can live with them!

      To have the NDP back in power is like sleeping with someone you just can't trust.
  • oh yea (07/06/2015, 15:27) Like (8) Dislike (0) Reply
    ARIC: shut your st......g mouth. Them ndp are sooo insure they call for a snap election with intention to fool the people of this country what they think building up a country is a good thing what about the people who put them in. Another thing the ndp don't want a collision because everyone will no their secret, but God will reveal what they are hiding. Amen
  • Java (07/06/2015, 15:31) Like (11) Dislike (0) Reply
    @Aric, stop lying, no one refer to the other as dog. Fahie was addressing the hospital fiasco and stated that the VIP is who finish the hospital but the other side taking the credit. He then used the proverbial, "Man work, dog eat". Is that referring to anyone as a dog? Stop try to mislead or put a different spin on what was said. You are like a confusion maker from the pits of hell, but nothing stranger, I guess you are an NDP supporter
  • Future Chosen Leader (07/06/2015, 15:32) Like (11) Dislike (0) Reply

    Walwyn please tell us about the asention inside the NDP, WHERE THERE IS FIGHTING FOR THE PREMIERSHIP. THEN TELL US THE PEOPLE WHO IS THE NEXT LEADER OF THE NDP. PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION NDP TOP LEADERS ARE NOT GOING TO MAKE IT FOR ANTHER 4 years. BE TRUTHFULL AND TELL US ABOUT THE REAL PLANS YOU HAVE FOR OUR PEOPLE? FRASER CHARACTER IS KNOWN BUT YOU WE DO NOT KNOW. WALWYN YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT YOU ARE A (POORLITICIAN ) AND NOT A STATESMAN. I DO NOT LIKE FRAZER WAYS EITHER BUT FRAZER AND PICKERING IS EXACTLY THE SAME TWO PEOPLE. A STATESMAN WILL NEVER DO THE THINGS YOU GUYS ARE DOING, SELLING US OUT TO YOUR RICH FRIENDS. NDP THIS IS THE LOWEST I HAVE SEEN THE DECORUM OF MINISTERS, YOU NEED TO STOP NOW MYRON, THE LORD HAS ALREADY DECIDED WHO WILL LEAD THIS COUNTRY.

    MAY THE LORD PRESIDE OVER THESE VIRGIN ISLANDS PEOPLE BE QUIET AND LET THE LORD FIGHT FOR YOU!

  • NDP heckler (07/06/2015, 15:46) Like (11) Dislike (0) Reply
    This dude is the same one who encouraged Maynard to run against kedrick, what that is telling you?
  • voter (07/06/2015, 15:52) Like (8) Dislike (0) Reply

    so power hungry that them talking pi$$ please keep um out of our politics. if a man bad talking the Cuban to get his position just like how they is power hungry the entire party is going to leave those youths hungry just wait we all will see the result in the future.

  • 123 (07/06/2015, 17:04) Like (16) Dislike (0) Reply
    mvw is a disgrace he better go pay back government
  • Voter Too (07/06/2015, 18:47) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Can't you all see one party is united and the other divided. All of thee and none for we
  • reality (07/06/2015, 21:31) Like (5) Dislike (0) Reply
    sshhh! The pen is mightier than the sword. We all have the last word. Let Myron keep talking.
  • civil servant (07/06/2015, 21:46) Like (4) Dislike (0) Reply
    You mean to tell me all the ndp campaign is on Fraser,Fraser is so important than paying people their money that they make it their business to bash him morning to night....but still I ain't get my increment from 3&1/2 years ago as promised people wake up take out the ndp for your children and your children's children sake. Piece by piece they selling out tortola for money
  • TRUTH TELLER (07/06/2015, 21:57) Like (5) Dislike (0) Reply
    Myron Walwyn,
    Exactly what are you campaigning about?!!.

    Your attacks on Honorable Fraser is a disservice to the people of the BVI, to your party, as well as those people who, in 2011, voted the NDP into office. Your recent bulldog-like behavior would lead one to believe that the NDP is indeed getting desperate.

    Stop acting like a thug! You need to stop attcking Fraser and attend to the credibility crisis in the NDP!

    Your proposal to establish a Jr High School is the most absurd thing relating to education that I recently heard!

    What!!? Why Jr.High School... HAHA, in the BVI or are we in the USVI? Stop talking BS... What have you, in the past 3 1/2 years done to improve the crisis in the educational system. Never mind how many certificates are dished out, the question is how competitive most of the recipients are/can be? Exactly what caliber of students coming out of Secondary/High School can they compete with?

    In the New Testament it is written that the FOOLISH MAN BUILT HIS HOUSE ON SAND. A Jr High is not going to solve the problems in the educational system. As a matter of fact, it could very well create MORE PROBLEMS. Where exactly did you come up with that splendid idea? Where is the evidence from research? HA HA HA JOKER JOKER. How much do you really care about the youth?

    I do not recall that you have mentioned excellence in education. If you have, what concrete plans do you have for bringing that back??!!!

    And as Minister of Culture what have you done/are doing about the disintegration of the culture of the BVI?

    What passes for culture here is surely not BVI and there is no evidence that there is much Caribbean culture is here.

    Too bad that people who are supposed to know better are the very ones who seem to be introducing all manner of things from abroad, mainly the US, and not the best to boot. Many of the things that seem to be accepted are strictly GHETTO-like the idea of Jr High. You should know that in most middle, upper middle and upper class neighborhoods in the US they don't have Jr High and all this Hip Hop that is blasted all over the place, strictly from the Hood y'all!

    All the BS that goes down here, including what is happening with the election campaign is quite uncivilized, nothing that your grandchildren should feel proud about.

    Dr Smith! It will be the one of the worse mistake you make, if the NDP is voted back in officer, to leave either Walwyn or Vanterpool a head of the party. Hon Skelton would be far more desirable. Christian or Ms Shania Smith are also more desirable than Walwyn or Vanterpool.




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