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UPDATE: Skelton says NHI needs startup of $15M to $25M

- Fraser doubts scheme will have excess resources to invest
Minister for Health and Social Development Hon Ronnie W. Skelton said that the National Health Insurance (NHI) system will need a start up financing from Government of between $15 million and $25 million. Photo: VINO/file
Representative for the Third District Honourable Julian Fraser RA called on Government to come clean on their plans for the introduction of National Health Insurance and warned against what he believed are Government’s plans to tap into the Social Security fund to make it happen. Photo: VINO/File
Representative for the Third District Honourable Julian Fraser RA called on Government to come clean on their plans for the introduction of National Health Insurance and warned against what he believed are Government’s plans to tap into the Social Security fund to make it happen. Photo: VINO/File
Deputy Premier and Minister for Natural Resources and Labour Dr the Hon Kedrick D. Pickering defended the proposed legislation and the Government’s plans to bring the NHI to reality. Photo: VINO/File
Deputy Premier and Minister for Natural Resources and Labour Dr the Hon Kedrick D. Pickering defended the proposed legislation and the Government’s plans to bring the NHI to reality. Photo: VINO/File
ROAD TOWN, Tortola, VI - Minister for Health and Social Development Hon Ronnie W. Skelton said that the National Health Insurance (NHI) system will need a start up financing from Government of between $15 million and $25 million.

He was responding to questions on Thursday April 17, 2014 during the Sixth Sitting of the Third Session of the Second House of Assembly.

“Could the Minister tell me how much he anticipates having at start up [of the NHI]?” asked Member for the Third District Hon Julian Fraser RA, directing the question to Hon Skelton.

“Madam Speaker the startup numbers are ranging right now from $15 million to $25 million,” responded Hon Skelton.

“Madam Speaker could the Minister for Health and Social Development please tell this Honourable House what is the annual cost of national health care and whether contributions to the National Health Insurance plan will be adequate to fund it?” asked Hon Fraser.

“Madam Speaker the NHI financial model report done by the… University of the West Indies (done in 2012) showed that the national health care expenditure totaled $58.5 million from the latest available data of 2009,” said Hon Skelton.

Hon Skelton elaborated that this figure represented Government’s expenditure for Peebles Hospital and the community health clinics, along with private health care expenditure on island and overseas. But he said it excludes Ministry of Health and Social Security expenditure.

The Minister said too that based on projections contained in the financial model for the NHI, total annual expenditure is expected to be $17 million in the first year with the new Peebles Hospital in operation. He said that Government’s direct contribution into the NHI financial model totaled $39 million.

He said that NHI revenue generation will be in the order of $74 million and that will be more than enough to cover cost of health care expenditure.

However, Hon Fraser was doubtful that the NHI would have any wiggle room to engage in any kind of investment. “The Minister talks about investments as if this fund will have excesses to invest, which I doubt very much. Could he elaborate on that?” asked Hon Fraser.

In response, Hon Skelton said that the economic study done on NHI shows that there will be reserves which will generate some level of returns.

See previous story published on April 8, 2014

'Don’t finance NHI with Social Security Fund' – Hon Fraser warns

Dep. Premier says everyone must pay their fair share for programme to work

ROAD TOWN, Tortola, VI – Representative for the Third District Honourable Julian Fraser RA called on Government to come clean on their plans for the introduction of National Health Insurance and warned against what he believed are Government’s plans to tap into the Social Security fund to make it happen.

He was speaking today, April 8, 2014 at the continuation of the Fifth Sitting of the Third Session of the Second House of Assembly.

“The Minister owes it to the people to explain how this programme is expected to function,” said Hon Fraser, during his contribution to the debate on the Social Security Amendment Bill, the legislation which will pave the way for the introduction of National Health Insurance (NHI).

“How will it be funded?” he asked. “Was this question asked? Can the economy of the Territory bear that cost? Can small businesses sustain it?” asked Hon Fraser.

“I am sure every one of you (referring to the Government Members) have heard the questions that I am hearing. You might be in a position to ignore them. I am not. Don’t shoot the messenger,” said Hon Fraser.

He pointed out that the House of Assembly’s Members cannot sit in the House and make decisions that affect the people of the Territory without consulting them. “Are you telling me that you will take my money and I don’t have a say?” he asked.

“My calculations for NHI is somewhere [in the region] of $52 million per year to be deducted [from citizens],” he said. “Government needs to come clean and tell us what the plan is,” Hon Fraser stated.

He is of the view that the NHI should be a statutory body separate and apart from Social Security and the Health Care Authority and standing on its own. He also wondered whether Government will use the Social Security fund.

Deputy Premier and Minister for Natural Resources and Labour Dr the Hon Kedrick D. Pickering defended the proposed legislation and the Government’s plans to bring the NHI to reality. He defended also the Government’s position on consultations, saying that while these were not perfect, they were held.

Dr the Hon Pickering said 65 percent of persons in the Territory are not insured and said that NHI is not only important but an imperative at this time.

He made the point that improved health care in the Territory must be funded and Government cannot do that in the way it is going right now.

“The essence of this debate, Madam Speaker, there [are] always issues with respect to details,” he said. “But there is a reason why they say the devil is in the details,” he said. “But the most important issue surrounding [NHI] and advancing health in this country is that the Government cannot finance healthcare the way it is going right now,” he said.

“The Member for the Third District raised the question: can we afford to? [But I ask] can we afford not to?” he asked.

“You talk about the next generation. The next generation will kick us in our butt if we don’t make the right decisions now,” said Dr the Hon Pickering. “Yes we have details to work through. Yes there are questions to answer. No country Madam speaker is going to meet its full potential unless every citizen pays their fair share,” he said. “If you’re not paying Social Security or Employment Tax you’re robbing the rest of your brothers and sisters,” he said.

By post time, the House of Assembly had adjourned for lunch. The debate on the Bill will continue upon the resumption of the House.

31 Responses to “UPDATE: Skelton says NHI needs startup of $15M to $25M”

  • UK student (08/04/2014, 14:08) Like (32) Dislike (4) Reply
    It's interesting just the other day I was discussing with my medical professor about the bvi gov implementing NHI and his comment was why would a small country would want to invest in something of that magnitude.
    • BVI student (08/04/2014, 18:39) Like (10) Dislike (28) Reply
      @ UK student our government is looking out for the best interest of our people how many of our people can finically take care of they selves in the case of sickness ? And with out our health nothing is possible in life.UK knows every thing thats why they think our country should of remain as a bird sanctuary please hush they don't kno every thing lets make our own mistakes and learn from them.
      • vi (08/04/2014, 19:26) Like (9) Dislike (13) Reply
        Stop arguing with them BVI Student, leave them. When they grow old, lose their jobs etc. and need help, all Government has to do is say "Sorry, we tried NHI, you didn't want it, now we have no money to give you for overseas or local care. Here are the numbers for the insurance companies on island however, they don't deal with pre-existing conditions like NHI would have. WE tried, sorry, NEXT!"
    • chad (19/04/2014, 19:42) Like (8) Dislike (1) Reply
      They said the same think when we invested in the college. Do your professor have any idea how many times government had to pay the cost of sending people overseas for emergency medical treatment. The agreement was that they will pay when they return but in the end they don't because they cant afford it. With a steady contribution people don't have to worry about this anymore. Medical treatment is expensive overseas if you are contributing to a scheme that pay for your treatment locally and international then how can it be wrong. We are a small island but have your professor looked at our GDP over the years. I can say it has been better than many big country.
  • ta ta (08/04/2014, 14:15) Like (17) Dislike (10) Reply
    another bad NDP bill
  • Sensie (08/04/2014, 14:18) Like (40) Dislike (0) Reply
    A vast number of employers are taking employees' money and not paying it in to the social security office. What is going to happen when NHI come into effect and those same employers have to pay in?
  • vex (08/04/2014, 14:22) Like (23) Dislike (8) Reply
    This is the bill that killed the ndp
  • Well... (08/04/2014, 14:29) Like (25) Dislike (4) Reply
    Fraser you have very good points. But you should also ask, can the Territory afford to keep paying out full cash money for emergencies where people do not have insurance? I think we spend over $30mil a year on people who don't have insurance, can we afford that? It's time for people to pay their fair share with Government dealing with those that cannot afford to do better. Right now we have people taking advantage of Government and something need to be done. We either support NHI with top up private cover as an option, or deal with Government telling you "NO!" when you come with an emergency costing thousands and asking for assistance. The point is, we know the facts. Many people do NOT have insurance and even when they have it through their employer there's so much red tape and caps. What happens when these people need care, we watch them die? If Government is forced to keep forking out millions in unbudgeted cash, where does this money come from? So you're asking the same question in a different way. Ronnie and NDP's answer is NHI will fund it by way of personal contributions. The problem is that the people against NHI can't tell you how Government will fund having to give their people money when they don't have insurance. This is one topic that does not need petty politics getting involved.
  • truth be told (08/04/2014, 15:05) Like (17) Dislike (2) Reply
    All questions asked were not properly answered. We need more consultations. The sister Islands were not consulted. We need our questions answered. While I agree something needs to be done, I do not think the burden should be on the backs of some people. While am sure the politicians can afford to have multiple coverage the common man cannot afford to. And I can bet my last dollar the Politicians will be the first to travel abroad if anything happen to anyone of them while the common man has to wait on a board to decide whether they must go to Panama or Jamaica. More consultation is needed before the rush to pass bill. I am not saying health care in the territory is not good. I had good experiences here but there is a lot of room for improvement. I don't want to gamble with my life and no one else should. I do not think the NHI can be sustainable at this time. Meanwhile, I do agree that Government continues to be saddled with high costs for healthcare services whether local or abroad. Often times we look for outside consultancy services who are not familiar with our situations and we have brains right here in our territory who can do research and come up with excellent end results. Look at the 2010 Labour Code. Need I say more?
  • Gruff (08/04/2014, 17:07) Like (12) Dislike (2) Reply
    Lets face it, the SSB is the most efficient section of the government and in other countries with NHI health contributions are added to SS contributions and the system works. Give the administration job to the people who have demonstrated, ever since Joshua Smith, that they are the most competent to run this. The last thing we need is yet another government department. Yes, it is going to cost us to have better health care and we BVIslanders must realize there is no free lunch. Lets not try to reinvent the wheel - see how it's done successfully in other countries.
    • @ Gruff (08/04/2014, 23:40) Like (0) Dislike (9) Reply
      You are one sick kneegrow the keyboard is your worst enemy,stay away neg sal.
      • Gruff (09/04/2014, 07:46) Like (6) Dislike (0) Reply
        Thanks for contributing to the debate in such an intelligent manner.
    • Hounddog (09/04/2014, 07:18) Like (8) Dislike (2) Reply
      And the last thing we need is the government to bleed the Social Security fund. All advice indicates that a NHI insurance scheme is NOT the answer. The SS fund is not there to be a s curve of funding for mismanaged government. If there is to be a NHI it must stand on its own and die on its own if its not successful rather than drag Social Security with it.
      • Gruff (09/04/2014, 14:18) Like (4) Dislike (0) Reply
        What I advocate is that SSB run two accounts and we make two contributions. If you think about it, SSB already look after one aspect of health care. They pay for the treatment of on the job injuries and illnesses. And they administer that very efficiently and promptly.
  • fraser has class (08/04/2014, 18:04) Like (5) Dislike (8) Reply
    There goes the premier
  • LOL! (08/04/2014, 19:28) Like (5) Dislike (6) Reply
    The funniest part of this debate is people bragging about their Private Insurance via their employer. I dare you all to take out your Term Sheet and read it in detail then compare it to what NHI is looking to offer. It's amazing what the thing called perception can do. Hmmmm! I will take NHI any day over most of these private insurance.
    • Rick (16/04/2014, 00:22) Like (6) Dislike (0) Reply
      Lol, I quite agree. People are only thinking on the present. The jobs they are referring to are temporary, so we will need insurance once they no longer exist. Further more Some of us go through the same "red tape" with those on the job insurances, so let us stop fooling ourselves and others. We go to some medical facilities and they pretend to take the insurance, then three months down the road we receive statements indicating that the insurance did not pay a dime or paid very little.
  • ABC (08/04/2014, 21:08) Like (11) Dislike (1) Reply
    This NHI sounds like another Senior Citizen Home which does not add up. Pickering with his $3 hundred million dollar Airport, Mark with his $75 million dollar Port project, now Ronnie with his opended NHI program. I am just disgusted with these big spenders. Ironically, all this is taking place at a time when the Treasury is experiencing difficulty in meeting its obligations. God help us all.
    • @ABC (11/04/2014, 07:27) Like (7) Dislike (3) Reply
      Maybe you're right. We can always spend another million on another wall or a few more millions on green houses to match the ones sitting idle. Or we can simply give away a few millions to the new culture of ticks that the past Government created. I say ticks and not leeches, because after leeches get their fill they let go while ticks feed until they explode. Go NDP. We behind you all the way.
  • fraser (08/04/2014, 22:56) Like (5) Dislike (3) Reply
    I agree with Mr Fraser, social security should not be used to fund NHI. People who don't have insurance and work shd pay on a sliding fee scale basis according to their income. Why should people who have health insurance through their employer still have to contribute. Confidentiality is another huge issue. SS is not the dept to handle this function. People are entitled to privacy especially when it comes to your health and related issues. The staff of SS makes me wonder. In the US the HIPPA regulations, protects patients privacy, what will protect patients here and who will ensure compliance.
    • Gnaw (19/04/2014, 22:39) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
      I wonder why the staff at SS makes you wonder? The staff at the hospital is not any better so #cartu@$$. Everyone breaches confidentiality. No one is perfect.
  • Perceptive (10/04/2014, 09:25) Like (3) Dislike (0) Reply
    Based on my own observation and as someone who have lived abroad, the Social Security Division is one of if the the most professionally and efficiently run agency. I have utilized their services and have no reason to question the confidentiality of anyone within that agency. The same cannot be said for a lot of other Governmental
    Department.

    In the Social Security Agency, clients are taken into private rooms to
  • Outspoken (19/04/2014, 09:09) Like (13) Dislike (0) Reply
    Where is Mr. Quito Rhymer now with his song millions and millions and millions and more. Boy this is really thing to talk
  • Dragon (19/04/2014, 10:39) Like (4) Dislike (2) Reply
    " ranging right now from $15 million to $25 million"
    That's a 10 MILLION dollar difference ! no small number. Can't we have a more accurate accounting of our tax payers money?
    • @ Dragon (19/04/2014, 23:38) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
      This is why we need a REVOLUTION to rid this place of these people with lack of vision
  • Lawyer (19/04/2014, 14:03) Like (8) Dislike (1) Reply
    These politicians continue to pull a blanket over the faces of the people with every thing they do they want to make us believe that they are doing it for out benefit but trust me in the end they themselves are the biggest beneficiary. But I hope they realize that the evil that men do will always come back to hunt them and when their eyes close and they lay still in a casket they can take nothing with them they are robbing the soul of this nation
  • egg face (19/04/2014, 15:47) Like (9) Dislike (2) Reply
    All I know is the NDP must go!!!
  • ann (19/04/2014, 23:16) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
    NO PLANNING BY THE NDP
  • Boo (20/04/2014, 08:22) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
    With the National Done-deal Party 15 million becomes 30 million and 25 million becomes 50 million. These are big figures to be throwing around which is it?
  • same ole (20/04/2014, 11:43) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    the NHI and NDP are one in the same opressive
  • ON HIS WAY (22/04/2014, 23:35) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Don't worry folks, Barack Obama is coming down to help do to the BVI what he did for the states.


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