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Pari-mutuel betting @ Ellis Thomas Downs can reduce crime- Bishop John I. Cline

- a cross section of persons say the mechanism has benefits for the sport of horse racing & country
Despite the notion that the Virgin Islands is said to be a Christian society for the most part, the jury seems to be decided in favour of pari-mutuel wagering, as its practical benefits trump convictions of religious teachings. Photo: VINO/File
Racing action down at Ellis Thomas Downs. Photo: VINO/File
Racing action down at Ellis Thomas Downs. Photo: VINO/File
Horse owner Lesmore Smith said that this is something he supports and was vocal on some years ago on the airwaves. Photo: VINO/File
Horse owner Lesmore Smith said that this is something he supports and was vocal on some years ago on the airwaves. Photo: VINO/File
Contacted yesterday, horse owner Violet ‘Letty’ Hodge said, “I support [the call for pari-mutuel betting] and I back them 100 percent. The reason for that is there is no race track in the world that does not have pari-mutuel betting.” Photo: VINO/File
Contacted yesterday, horse owner Violet ‘Letty’ Hodge said, “I support [the call for pari-mutuel betting] and I back them 100 percent. The reason for that is there is no race track in the world that does not have pari-mutuel betting.” Photo: VINO/File
Former legislator Eileene L. Parsons gave her verdict on the issue, voicing her support when we contacted her. Photo: VINO/File
Former legislator Eileene L. Parsons gave her verdict on the issue, voicing her support when we contacted her. Photo: VINO/File
Bishop John I. Cline of the New Life Baptist Church said that any attempt by the Government to minimise crime or the potential of crime should be looked at carefully and be considered. Photo: VINO/File
Bishop John I. Cline of the New Life Baptist Church said that any attempt by the Government to minimise crime or the potential of crime should be looked at carefully and be considered. Photo: VINO/File
Speaking on behalf of the BVI Horse Owners’ Association, Public Relations Officer Esther N. Fraser voiced the Association’s support for pari-mutuel betting at the track. Photo: Provided
Speaking on behalf of the BVI Horse Owners’ Association, Public Relations Officer Esther N. Fraser voiced the Association’s support for pari-mutuel betting at the track. Photo: Provided
ROAD TOWN, Tortola, VI – Despite the notion that the Virgin Islands is said to be a Christian society for the most part, the jury seems to be decided in favour of pari-mutuel wagering, as its practical benefits trump convictions of religious beliefs.

While it is written in the Bible that you cannot serve God and Mammon, a term used to mean money, persons are acknowledging that it is not as evil a thought to allow pari-mutuel betting at Ellis Thomas Downs as the money could be used to offset the costs of maintaining the track and also come in handy for other areas in which Government may have a need.

Almost all of the persons that we spoke with for this article seem to be suggesting that gambling in one form or the other already takes place at the horse track, so why not engage it in a legal and structured way.

Sometimes we have to wait weeks for our money

Horse owner Lesmore Smith said that this is something he supports and was vocal about it some years ago on the airwaves.

“If you go back three years ago you will see that I was on radio lobbying for this. I was the one pushing for this because it is very hard for us to get up every morning, go down there, train our horses, feed our horses, pay attendants, pay riders and sometimes you have to wait for a week and a half, two weeks to get paid after the race is finished, because we don’t have that capital and we have to wait for the sponsors to meet the purses,” explained Smith when contacted for a comment.

“I believe that if we find other ways and means of developing the sport then we should explore them. Remember the pari-mutuel betting is of such whereas automatically a certain percentage is given to the Government and this helps to put funds into other areas as needed…whether you want to put it to health services, the kids that need help, the school system, the cancer society, whatever it is,” he said.

“At the end of the day we are in fact a Christian society but we must be cognisant of the fact that the world is changing and moving forward,” he said. He noted that while horse racing is one of the oldest sports in the territory, financially it is very difficult to manage and maintain the track, taking into consideration that the Government has to pay for that.

“So if we get these little spin offs it will take the load off the one set of people who contribute very race day, including the Government.”

Smith is of the view that gambling already exists in the territory and noted that a typical example is when a phone company offers monetary prize incentives to persons who pay extra for a particular service or who top up a certain level. “That is gambling…they give you a chance to play and win.”

Government will get something from it

Former legislator Eileene L. Parsons OBE gave her verdict on the issue, voicing her support when we contacted her.

“I have been many places over the United States where there is pari-mutuel betting. I don’t know how it functions but I have been told that the Government will get something from the money,” she said.

Mrs Parsons explained that when she was a member of the House of Assembly in the late 90s, she was involved in the discussions regarding the relevant legislation.

“I was the one who got the legislation in 1998. I got legislation from as far away as the Isle of Man,” she said, noting that the drafted Bill included pari-mutuel betting.

“I am in support of it because down at the race track betting goes on and I am told that pari-mutuel will be safer and that Government will get something from each dollar wagered and I feel whatever Government gets they will use it to help maintain the track. That is why I am in favour of it,” she said.

The people must decide

Bishop John I. Cline of the New Life Baptist Church said that any attempt by the Government to minimise crime or the potential of crime should be looked at carefully and be considered.

“People are on the track betting anyway but they do it in a way that leaves a lot of room for conflict and I think that the Government is trying to minimise the potential for crime to be committed and I could only commend the Government for being proactive,” he said.

“What I would say from a religious perspective is that we are always mindful that we do what is in the best interest of the moral fibre of the community and while I don’t subscribe to a whole lot of things that go on, the Government is looking at it in a meaningful and beneficial way and I believe that it would reduce the potential for crime, I believe that they should continue to consider it and bring it to the people and let the people decide,” said Bishop Cline.

Backing the idea 100 percent

Contacted yesterday, horse owner Violet ‘Letty’ Hodge said, “I support [the call for pari-mutuel betting] and I back them 100 percent. The reason for that is there is no race track in the world that does not have pari-mutuel betting.”

She explained that the betting helps the track to maintain itself and also affords resources to the Government and tourism as people will want to come to the races to be able to bet.

“I hope that the Government opens up their eyes and see the benefits that it will have.”

Hodge said that with regard to the Christian community and its rejection of any form of gambling, it might be hard to change the mind-set of persons regardless of the evidence that might be presented. “But if they were to get an idea or see how a pari-mutuel is run and how a race track is run, then they may see why we are pushing for it.”

She said that many people are of the view that the racetrack is a burden to the Government and through pari-mutuel betting the funds garnered can be used to offset the expense of maintaining the racetrack.

BVI Horse Owners’ Association supports pari-mutuel betting

Speaking on behalf of the BVI Horse Owners’ Association, Public Relations Officer Esther N. Fraser voiced the Association’s support for pari-mutuel betting at the track.

“The BVI Horse Owners’ Association is in strong support of pari-mutuel betting within the British Virgin Islands. We believe it is in the best interest of the BVI’s sports culture that our Government revisits the discussion to cultivate legislation that regulates the industry and ensures proper governance of the same," she said.

“Currently, the BVI Horse Owners’ Association depends on the support of the Ministry of Education and Culture, sponsors and fundraising efforts to facilitate funding for the maintenance of the Ellis Thomas Downs race track and the execution of races held there. Horse racing within the BVI continues to grow, so much so that the basic needs for the sport has now surpassed that of our available resources. We must strategically seek to become self-sufficient," Fraser noted.

She said the BVI Horse Owners’ Association applauds the efforts of Honourable Minister Myron V. Walwyn and the Ministry of Education and Culture to encourage a frank dialogue on establishing a commission and the development of pari-mutuel betting in the territory.

“We see its potential; not only for preserving this cultural staple, but also for enhancing our sports tourism offerings and creating an additional revenue stream for the betterment of the entire BVI,” said Fraser.

30 Responses to “Pari-mutuel betting @ Ellis Thomas Downs can reduce crime- Bishop John I. Cline”

  • Lilly Ann (14/10/2015, 08:57) Like (5) Dislike (4) Reply
    ok finally we have an endorsement from the church
    • Shameful (14/10/2015, 12:47) Like (12) Dislike (5) Reply
      Schupps. Imagine this is from a supposedly man of God. They are lots of lost sheep at New Life. Pity them all.
  • Yes (14/10/2015, 09:00) Like (10) Dislike (20) Reply
    This is not a Christian society as everyone claims, because the Devil is clearly at work, in Government, Schools, Streets and the Churches. Tortola like to give the appearance of a Christian society, but that's as deep as it gets appearances. So let's take all that talk out of the equation.

    People have been betting on the races from the very beginning and adding legalized betting will corrupt the sport even more. We insiders and I mean the real horse racing insiders know fully of times where races where fixed, here, St Thomas and St. Croix. Now add a lot more money to the equation, and then you're really going to see how sometimes things ain't always what they seem. Leave that out.

    You want betting bring in poker machines and slot machine, but anything that these greedy people can rig like horse racing, leave it be!
    • lmao (14/10/2015, 10:11) Like (18) Dislike (3) Reply
      Just look at the big money grab going on nightly at Duffs Bottom with people parked along the public roads eager to give away their money for a promise. That shows the Devil at work but some poor puppets don't see the light.
  • wize up (14/10/2015, 09:01) Like (18) Dislike (4) Reply
    the church need to leave horse racing alone and go out and feed some of the hungry in the community, speak out on child against those molesters in the community: you not hearing the church on same sex abominations but wants to tell a man how to spend his money.. just saying
  • Ghost (14/10/2015, 09:04) Like (15) Dislike (5) Reply
    So John cline is now for gambling at the race track just because he wants to support his NDP gang in whatever they do. Is he speaking for himself or the religious community? Set of you know what!
  • Tisk Tisk (14/10/2015, 09:41) Like (3) Dislike (2) Reply
    Par mutual Betting is not enough to support the sport locally, Simulcast betting is where the money is it.
    • tretretrete (14/10/2015, 10:22) Like (4) Dislike (2) Reply
      Now if anyone should know that you you can't serve two masters it should be Cline. God vs NDP that should be an easy one even for you supposed Bishop Cline.
  • Hmm (14/10/2015, 09:56) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    "...sometimes you have to wait for a week and a half, two weeks to get paid after the race is finished, because we don’t have that capital and we have to wait for the sponsors to meet the purses"

    So if & when overseas win a race here do they have to wait weeks for their payout to I wonder
  • crazy (14/10/2015, 10:37) Like (4) Dislike (3) Reply
    How is coming to watch two horses per race going to increase sports tourism? Some people just STUUUUUUPID!!!!
  • Well Sah (14/10/2015, 10:44) Like (43) Dislike (2) Reply
    It seems like that one is willing to brush God and Religion aside for the sake of money and his political gang.
  • mango bay (14/10/2015, 10:54) Like (5) Dislike (3) Reply
    When people has the opportunity to gamble look out! the fathers will not get home on payday but to gamble the money. children will get that example as norm, women will be neglected by supporing the children on their own, women themselves will neglect husbands and children. Leave gambling alone our family structure is broken as it is now. besides gambling is addicted.

    your are not the religious leader that people should follow. What is he saying that olthough I am a christian any time my children are hungry I could go ahead and prostitute myself with no sins atached because it will serve a purpose to feed my children. That is his way of thinking and he has breaking many of God's rules already. The devil is a lier many religious leaders are wrong, have lost the vision, their way. Stop it People art to stand on Gods principals not yours.
    • ...... (14/10/2015, 16:36) Like (2) Dislike (1) Reply
      You all are so silly. THEY ARE ALREADY GAMBLING !!! My god, what nonsense are you talking about with not coming home on pay day......!! You people are retarded....... I guess you will use this as the excuse for all deadbeat fathers as well....just sickening the nonsense posted on here.
      • Reid (16/10/2015, 22:20) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
        @ mango bay. Father's are already gambling family money playing those numbers every week. I bet those fathers she talk about not coming home are already not coming home and supporting their children. She sounds as if she is going into panic mode. If she feels she could prostitute herself with no strings attached that is on her, not gambling. It is you who are a liar for not using your common sense you were born with to know right from wrong. If you do bad things that is on you and you only. A solid family home will NOT be broken so easily. I don't gamble, but I have and don't plan to start again, no matter what laws they pass, so stop your ranting and make sure you do the right thing.
    • huh (14/10/2015, 16:38) Like (1) Dislike (1) Reply
      When people has the opportunity?? Was that English?? and umm, what's stopping them from gambling now.....??
  • born again (14/10/2015, 11:24) Like (11) Dislike (1) Reply
    still waitin on dat miracle i paid for at powerplus 2 yrs ago. Wise up ppl...its like the catholics and perjury all over again
    • @born again (14/10/2015, 11:37) Like (7) Dislike (1) Reply
      Your concept is all wrong, you don't PAY for miracles, that's why you have not seen anything! Feel sorry for you!
      • born again (14/10/2015, 11:50) Like (4) Dislike (1) Reply
        yeh, that is what they would have you believe. feel sorrier for you.
    • Help Jesus (14/10/2015, 19:47) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
      My ppl perish because they lack knowledge....you ever see anyone pay for a miracle in the scriptures???NEVER!!!!....yet you here paying for yours....smhh

  • more money (14/10/2015, 11:51) Like (5) Dislike (1) Reply
    John was tire when he was speaking to VINO the long nights at power plus has he not thinking straight
  • home grown (14/10/2015, 12:49) Like (8) Dislike (2) Reply
    No wonder we can't get any rain! Poor Territory, we have indeed lost all our Christian virtues!
  • Sammy (14/10/2015, 12:51) Like (13) Dislike (2) Reply
    As for their so called Power Plus. It pains me that people in this society are so gullable....Every year false prophets come to NLBC and take back thousands of dollars to the U.S. from the rich and poor members of that congregation. Thou fools.....Boy we are really living in the last days. How gullable people are. LOL LOL LOL
  • dude (14/10/2015, 15:52) Like (6) Dislike (0) Reply
    The bvi is so a case by itself, there is lotto outside the banks, raffles by rotary, sports betting, dice games in every community, strip clubs, brothels, but legal pari-mutal betting is a decade long debate?? Why not the other things? We change the school grade system, change health care the people have no say now it's the people's choice lol what a confused society we have
  • Plain (14/10/2015, 19:15) Like (26) Dislike (1) Reply
    We have some sick people trying to decide for the people of these Virgin Islands. Some hiding behind the name pastor, some might be drunk and others just willful. Stop playing with God. If you have not submitted your life to him fully, get down from the pulpit. God is loving and forgiving. But when you become presumptuous he will deal with you in ways you might not understand.
  • yo see (14/10/2015, 21:01) Like (12) Dislike (0) Reply
    That is the reason why i don't attend the New Wife Baptiste Church.
  • come on now (14/10/2015, 21:56) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    The hospital worker them money bishop.
  • The Observer (16/10/2015, 22:33) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
    What is troubling to me is the fact that this gambling proposal which was introduced by the Minister for Education is receiving an open blessing from those who claim to have a relationship with their maker. God neither sleeps nor does he slumber.


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